Colonel Andrzej Derlatka is talking to Agnieszka Ludwisiak-Wypoor.
Polish presidential candidate Karol Nawrocki suggested that peculiar services had a negative impact on his campaign. The head of Homeland safety categorically denied these accusations. How does the ambassador view the situation?
I justice the situation unequivocally and I think that most Poles think so. Well, Mr. Nawrocki's presidential candidate is trapped. Unfortunately, he can't get out of it. Anyway, to be honest, I don't see much chance of getting out of this trap. There's not adequate time. Besides, journalists who are investigating the case have very strong evidence. The situation for him is tragic. The communicative that the servants were involved. This is bullshit. full bullshit. There were respective places where there was information about his next apartment. This is not only the ultimate Court, due to the fact that it could besides have been cut out there, but it could have been cut off from the ellipse of its loved ones, who could be grieved for various things from the past, and this 1 had rather stormy. For example, information could have been leaked from the taxation office. There are plenty of places that could have happened. erstwhile Mr. Nawrocki considered moving for office, he should have done an examination of his conscience and checked what might be incriminating him. See how many bodies he's got in his closet. I think it's 1 of those dead bodies that fell out with a bang and a slam. president Kaczyński made his choice and can no longer retreat from it. But Nawrocks can and I think he should.
Do today's peculiar services in Poland have tools to actually influence politics?
I think it's just rhetoric. Polish services, as far as I know them, are apolitical, and I do not see the anticipation that officers carry out activities for 1 political organization or another. It's impossible.
However – it must be said – in the past of Polish policy, the service was active in respective incidents. The first was the 2007 ground affair. Was it a classical service operation or a political provocation?
Of course it's political provocation. The services shall not take any action on their own initiative. A decision was simply made at the highest level. In this case, the Prime Minister did. He most likely had information, any tips, anonymia, things. due to the fact that there's no smoke without fire. due to the fact that there was no evidence, he figured it was essential to make it. For him, it was apparent that Lepper was corrupt. Besides, this full thing was worth a pound of money, due to the fact that I don't think any serious politician or serious man would want to hazard his life. The life of your children too, due to the fact that it would besides burden your descendants. Finally, Lepper was an honest man.
This scandal ended in a large tragedy for Andrew Lepper and his full family.
It seems he couldn't take the force and did what he did. Of course, there are different information on how it could have been. But aside from any leads, anyone's hunches, there's no evidence.
Here's another interesting character, Agent Tomek. Was his activity the consequence of operational planning or media staging?
It must be said unequivocally that all these excesses, these wicked things, took place in CBA at a time erstwhile people who were complete amateurs ruled. They were not trained due to the fact that at school they would learn that specified things were not allowed to be done, that it is unacceptable in a democratic state of law to have peculiar services handle police provocations. Besides, what they did was a fewer lengths of any provocation. Of course, police provocation is simply a tool for the service, especially the police, but the limits that are laid down in the law cannot be exceeded. And here was space. They did it to delight their organization and government superiors. That's due to the fact that they're inactive incapable to get out of legal problems. They were people who were completely unprepared for the function they played. Besides, I don't think they're morally predisposed to this. The individual who directs the ministry must have a moral backbone, must know what is allowed, what is forbidden. There was a tragedy here. Unprepared people have received a tool, a powerful tool, and have compromised public confidence.
Let's get to the next one. Eavesdropping at the Owl restaurant and friends. Is there any sign of professional service, or is it a bottom-up initiative utilizing illegal methods?
The findings of the investigation indicate that it was a waiter initiative. BOR officers were besides blamed for failing to guarantee the safety of the callers. You're right. Whether VIP wants to escape from the service or not, or want to have more privacy, the service must act, even discreetly, sweeping things that may happen. No imagination. It was also, of course, a substance of the VIPs themselves who behaved besides freely in public. specified conversations may have been held in offices, not in public places. I'll say 1 more thing in the margins that doesn't sound like it. Well, from a time erstwhile I had close contact with people, let's say, from government spheres, etc., 1 thing that hit me, is that they were frightened of listening. They were terrified that the service knew everything about them, that they were inactive in control. These are amazing things to me, due to the fact that I knew what it looked like on the part of the service, and I thought that this kind of concern was completely unfounded.
The service does not control the people they protect. Counter-intelligence protection covers the protection of all persons who are in charge of government in the Polish State. That's what this is about, protecting these people, not controlling them to usage anything against them. The fact that they were talking in this restaurant is precisely that they were afraid to talk in the places they were meant to. Same thing about safe phones. You know that all government typical gets a telephone that allows for safe communication. He can besides give information there. It seems that to the restricted level this will suffice in specified current contact, due to the fact that the information expires rather quickly. It seems that 1 or 2 ministers in a 100 twelve usage this channel of communication. This is unbelievable. I'd be fined for that. The top of everything was the affair with Mr. Dworczyk, who utilized a average private email channel at the time he had access to the safe channel. Hands just drop. This is simply a question of government education. There must be any courses for them to realize otherwise.
