KO on Zbigniew Ziobrze: The Hungarian script must be taken into account

Marta Kurzyńska, Interia: After Friday's 1-0 force test for the committee, or for Zbigniew Ziebra?

Mariusz WitczakMember Civil Coalition: – Anyone who looks at what happened must have at the back of his head the fact that Zbigniew Ziobro has repeatedly avoided being present on the committee. He built a full spectacle in which the committee of enquiry refused to participate. The Commission will not usage the Ziebra calendar but its own. Ziobro makes himself a victim, a martyr, and he's just a smart guy from PiS. The hypocrite is perfect. Manually controlled the D.A.'s office, took revenge on lawyers, doctors. If we give in to the show he's doing, we'll be naive.

But didn't the committee, interrogating Ziebra, put the ball out like that? Zbigniew Ziobro now says "the commission has deserted".

– Zbigniew Ziobro organized together with right-wing television, which is the armed arm of PiS a set, calculated not to be timely brought before the committee. Ziobro clearly bent the string, wanted his own script.

The investigators didn't get provoked?

– He's got to be reckoned hard. The Commission has chosen specified a way alternatively than another one. There are no simple solutions, but I hope that justice will get to him. It would be a bankruptcy of the state's effectiveness if specified a smart-ass could play everyone's nose indefinitely.

There are lawyers' voices that the committee made a mistake. She decided to close the sitting and vote for detention as shortly as it was known that Ziobro was being brought by the police. Aren't you afraid of that line of defence right now?

– Zbigniew Ziobro will surely search legal loopholes. Those who have dirt behind their ears frequently do. The Law and Justice was building a boisterous state just to avoid criminal responsibility, making settlements difficult. Zbigniew Ziobro is capable of anything to avoid responsibility.

– The Hungarian script must be taken into account. Romanowski is for Orbana closer to unknown associate of PolandI'm certain his asylum was done by individual on a higher level. Romanowski is protected only so that he doesn't break and talk to his friends. Why would Ziobro not have a Hungarian escape way in a situation of greater danger. Evacuation option for Hungary is already trampled on by Romanowski for others.

Do you have a script to possibly prevent it?

– These scenarios request to be considered. All the more reason Pegasus for Ziobry is simply a warm-up to bigger problems, specified as the Justice Fund, which is 1 of the biggest scandals of the 3rd Republic of Poland. Jumping on State Forests or sweeping uncomfortable cases for the then power under the carpet.

Zbigniew Ziobro doesn't look worried. He's hoping to build a political position in his electorate?

– This is simply a political masquerade. Zbigniew Ziobro wears a sheriff's mask, or alternatively a coward.

And committees of enquiry don't show their helplessness in this term? First Daniel ObietekThen Zbigniew Ziobro playing on the nose of an investigator.

The commissions don't have an easy situation. They're not to replace the DA and the courts. They're expected to show the mechanisms of abuse of power and show. At the end, they address applications to the D.A.'s office, but they are not from doing the prosecution and the courts.

Adrian Zandberg He's accused you of tardiness lately. Are you fighting in this law in your chest too?

– Adrian Zandberg started as part of the coalition on October 15, and now speaks very frequently with 1 voice from the PiS. He's on the margins of political life at his own request. Commenting on his words is simply a waste of time for me.

But specified charges are not only from Adrian Zandberg. investigation shows that this issue is impatient for voters as well.

– The pace of settlement in many places is not satisfactory. Each of us would like to velocity up. But it makes us different from the Law and Justices that we won't do it in a rhyme, due to the fact that we have procedures. Which doesn't slow us down.

– This is not the time to change things about this campaign. There is not a single poll in which Rafał Trzaskowski would lose his leadership position. This run doesn't request to be corrected.

There's been a poll late in which Karol Nawrocki He took the lead.

Oh, come on. It's an exception to the rule. The leader of this poller has already made a poll in the European elections and has shot very hard.

Is Rafał Trzaskowski's run consistent?

– Rafał Trzaskowski is the candidate who has been de facto in the election run for 5 years. If these elections were equal in terms of access to the media or money, it would be won by Rafał Trzaskowski. It can be said symbolically that he was robbed of triumph by unequal playing conditions, created by the PiS. But on the second day after the election he was hailed as a man who won in 5 years.

Are you certain that's his value? He didn't get a good look?

– He's so wrapped up that he's the leader of trust rankings and wins in all polls. Give God specified a dressing.

Elections are not won in polls. And the counter-candidates blame Rafał Trzaskowski for not being as active as they are.

The election is won in the Horses. That's what Rafal took to heart. He's in a long campaign. This is where you gotta have a long-distance condition and at the back of your head the decomposition of strength.

How do you justice the charges of turning right?

– I don't know where he turned right. This is simply a classical centre candidate. The PO has always been a centre party, hence on the agenda and center postulates and besides conservative themes.

Maybe it was unnecessary to rise the 800 plus theme. However, political opponents are now trying to push Rafał Trzaskowski into the right corner.

– I don't find anything right in this postulate.

Except it's an earlier postulate. Confederations And the PiS. And Rafał Trzaskowski has to explain this in his next meetings.

- He doesn't explain. Questions come up, it answers. We have already said in the parliamentary run that we will request to seal the strategy for assistance to refugees. It's rationalizing this solution. The issue of sealing the system.

Left He's not talking about rationalization, he's talking about heartlessness. Won't that hurt you?

– Let me put it as politely as I can – the arguments of the Left most likely do not pierce besides much. Our solution is rational and involves costly witnessing. It should be paid to those in the labour strategy in the taxation system. In short, they work for our country.

Why abruptly did Rafal Trzaskowski – a well-known music lover – love for Zenk Martyniuk?

– I didn't see love there. I saw a good gathering with Zenk Martyniuk, who is very popular and has the right to support whomever he wants. We live in 1 country, and we must be able to respect each another even despite differences in musical tastes.

Aren't you afraid individual might have picked up a false note?

– any things request to be treated more relaxed. I wouldn't be looking for a large political discussion here.

So he wanted to warm up in Zenk Martyniuk's popularity?

– I don't think Rafal Trzaskowski needs to warm himself in the glow of anyone.

That kind of frosting can lead a candidate astray.

– I'm just saying, he's a very popular politician who's already won 10 million votes erstwhile and doesn't request to warm up in individual else's glory. I don't see anything incorrect with a good video. This is not the support of Rafał Trzaskowski for disco polo, but alternatively the support of Zenk Martyniuk for Rafał Trzaskowski.

Donald Tusk Should he be powerfully active in this run or is the government a burden on Rafał Trzaskowski?

– Presidential elections, personnel are characterized by a very individual programme. Rafał Trzaskowski will be an independent politician with his agenda. This is an highly experienced politician.

So he doesn't request Donald Tusk to win?

– It is apparent that Rafal has the Prime Minister's support. But everyone here has their responsibilities. The Prime Minister has his hands full, the Polish Presidency started in EUEveryone has a role. No 1 will replace Rafał Trzaskowski in the presidential race.

Karol Nawrocki can actually endanger Rafał Trzaskowski?

The fight must be fierce. due to the fact that looking at the possible of KOs and PiS is precisely the kind of clash we can anticipate in the second round.

– Jarosław Kaczyński sold the PiS business to Nawrocki. He chose it so as not to give a chance to anyone from the centre of the PiS who will be built in the run and after losing the election he will have a strong adequate position to go after Jarosław Kaczyński.

Who would go after him?

– They could go after Kaczyński Moravian, HaddockHe wouldn't even trust Black. He picked individual from the outside and made PiS activists into a horse. He calls him what is grotesque "civil candidate", but Nawrocki is to remove work for losing from Kaczyński. That's how he did it, but there's quite a few discontent in the Law and Justice. Just talk to the PiS activists in the crutches. Nawrocki is simply a man they don't know.

Do we like songs we know most?

- Yeah. And they got a cat in a bag. For now, they learned that he was a friend of large Bu's, that he was utilizing the deluxe suite. For the next fewer months, they'll inactive find out who he is. And the fact may be sad.

Is the flat case gonna hurt Nawrock?

It's already done. He in most polls is incapable to catch up with the consequence of the PiS. The electorate, besides made into a horse by Jarosław Kaczyński, looks closely at Nawrock, and to win the election is not adequate to electorate PiS, valued at about 6 million. It takes over 10 million votes.

Marcin Mastalerek He says bringing up flat cases could be a double-edged weapon. Are you expecting a counterattack?

– Rafał Trzaskowski is the best-exposed politician in Poland. He's an unbitten man, not an attackable man. The Law and Justice know that. They're worried about Nawrocki due to the fact that they don't know him. Kaczyński introduced the PiS to the mine.

Marta Kurzyńska spoke