Thank you for agreeing to a conversation. quite a few people said that you don't truly want to give interviews. And most people said you wouldn't agree to a conversation. I'm so glad we're talking. Who is Thomas Kostyl in 2023? How would a friend specify himself?
– I am inactive a national idealist – radical, and all day a traveling poet and photographer.
Many of our readers were not yet in the planet erstwhile “Legion” toured. They don't have those memories that accompany us. I remember my regular trips to the Katowice station to “musical boxing” to get to the tape “We, the fresh generation”. It worked after 2 weeks. For “The Years of Street Fights” I gave my friend jeans sent from London. Many of today's readers have just met or are just getting to know the national stone scene of that time through tracks posted on YT platforms or covered by recently formed bands. Soon, the “Anthology of Polish skin stone of the 1980s and 1990s” by Col. Norbert Wasik is to be published, but before this happens, the communicative of “Legion” is to be brought closer to young readers.
– I spoke many times about the Legion, so let me remind you briefly that I joined the band in 1991 as a vocalist and songwriter. Under the name LEGION, 3 materials [“The Years of Street Struggles”, “We, the fresh Generation” and “A.M.D.G.”] came out, but the second already in a different composition. The squad ceased operations in 1996, although there were good chances to last for longer. However, not everyone had the determination, the desire to believe that in music 1 can win by doing what 1 likes.
How it happened that today, erstwhile a widely understood national thought has become popular among young people, there are no bands to match those of the 1990s. At least I don't get one.
– I think the climate of the 1990s was specific, and we all lived in an atmosphere of large optimism, believed that we would function normally, start to fulfill dreams, and that the prose of life would become colorful. As for the bands, in my opinion, people began to fear more for their existence and do not feel the request to so openly, definitely follow this artistic way and this under their own names. Fear prevailed in alleged free Poland, and existence based mostly on instalments, leasings and loans effectively discourages people from being themselves. I believe that there are respective notable bands, e.g. “Iridion” or “Horitnica”, is besides “Contratak, White Family”. Something's going on in our country. There were besides festivals like Orle Nest. However, in order for identity culture to succeed, the attitude of artists, musicians and audiences must change. The musicians on the identity scene cannot number on the favour of the state administration, nor on the favour of the main sewer media. individual who openly declares himself an identity creator, appearing under his own name and showing his image, bears the consequence of his attitude throughout his life. He's got to be ready for that, and he can carry it. I know what I'm saying. Besides, if we are at music, so far; all creator does not even presume that he will become a musician according to Daniel Landa, he does not even have specified ambition. So how's this music scene expected to exist, keep up and get fans?
A while ago, I spoke in “Polish Thought” with Janusz Palian ("Storm 68"). He said he did not anticipate reactivation of the squad – although I am counting on a change of decision – is there any anticipation of reactivation of the Legion? Do you see specified a request today?
– I have no objection or no objection to going back to the music and standing on stage, but I am not curious in playing for the alleged idea, due to the fact that nothing will come of it. Music needs to be taken seriously and in all aspect: artistic, media, imagery. The creator is to sale his work, or he will die of starvation, and no 1 will lift a finger to bend over his fate. Samaritans left with Belle Epoque. We have times of egoists, human-eaters, godless people, and idiots. These are the masses. And it's besides a zoning material. The left hand knew how to do it. Oatsiakowszczyna has been dealing with the depravation of Polish youth since the mid-1980s. A full gulag of anticulture was created. And the alleged national right on the identity culture inactive looks like a leprosorium.
You besides execute in another areas of art – poesy or photography. You're successful in all of them. What is art and what should its social dimension be?
– I'm trying to combine passion with the request to survive. I cannot say clearly whether I have been successful, for it is only to be full stated erstwhile I will end my earthly life and individual will only justice whether my work has contributed to the fact that people have become better. due to the fact that art is for good. The good that is determined by the Latin civilization, which we inactive include. Art is the answer to reality – that is what Tadeusz Kantor said and that is besides true. With circumstantial political views, we know what we want to convey, we know what media to usage to make this message received properly. In my case, it's an image and a word. In the social dimension, art is to organize national imagination. It's a wide field, and it's limited by the ability to create. I now usage word and image. The request for creation has always been in me, I love painting, but I can't paint, so I leaned over photography. They opened this reality to me, specified masters as Peter Lindbergh, Richard Avedon, Josef Koudelka, Lewis Hine, Edward Steichen, Henri Carter Bresson, Eugene Adget, Sebastiao Salgado or our Polish creators specified as Jan Bulhak, Tadeusz Rolke, Stefan Arczyński, Adam Bujak, Krzysztof Hejke. due to the fact that I always preferred to compose alternatively than speak, so since advanced school, I have been bolder and bolder at trying to compose texts, not reasoning that there will be a substitute for poetry. However, the night favored nostalgia, and loneliness turned thoughts into slanted sentences written with a pen, and this writing continues all the time, with varying intensity. Of course, there was an impulse – singing poetry, whose listening was almost mystical. After each evening dose of Gintrowski and Herbert, regardless of the quality of the tape, the dream escaped completely and almost until dawn was time to write. There was no another way. Additionally, there was wandering the mountains, songs by Stachura, Kaczmarski, stunted poems by Wojzka, cold-blooded Bryll, lonely Sieniawski and possibly the most sad romanticist and little-known Russian poetry, mostly pre-Soviet, unharmed with a sickle and a hammer. Man always discovers something fresh to give an answer to reality.
Where is the limit of what is slow and what is not allowed in art, and should something be legally forbidden? Should art service the nation or be for art itself?
– I utilized to like the concept of art for art, but it's a trap. This attitude decomposes the creator and his work in all artistic dimension. It's not developing. Art should have a purpose, it should be the realization of a plan, contained in the imagination. Unless imagination is limited, what is materialized in the form of a work already has its limes, even in terms of aesthetics and ethics. I'm not a proponent of bans in art unless they violate the Decalogue. For art to be good, it is adequate to deprive it of state subsidies. Then there will be natural selection. People will appreciate outstanding works and will remember their creators. Not long ago my friend, a prof. at the Academy of Fine Arts in Wrocław, took me to the beginning of young artists to the Museum of Contemporary Art. What I saw there confirmed everything that Krzysztof Karon said about culture and art of the 20th century. If patients were to hand out plastic material and have them paint, sculpt, draw, at least we could admire anything. But those ASP students weren't crazy. They were expected to be certified artists. So, what were the insects scattered on the shaft, screens placed in angles flashing like stroboscopes, or muddy walls? They, as well as the college, are kept with our money and these people live in the belief that they are artists. And in a fewer years, they'll make their successors. It's not art, it's sailing, it's gaining designation of people with a akin intellectual level.
Nation and art are an inseparable relationship. “The Archangel and the Knight” and “In the Land of My Ways” are the titles of your poesy volumes. Where can you buy them? Are you preparing another one? You were the author of “Anthology of Polish Identity Poetry” published most likely 10 years ago. Today, a very uncommon position in the anti-quarian market. Have there since been fresh Polish identity creators worthy of notice?
– 2 of my poetic books came out: “Archangel and Knight” and “In the Land of My Roads”. This first position is very seldom available, there was only 1 edition in 2010, while “In the Land of My Roads” can be purchased in the WEKTORY release, which published and distribute it. I realize that poesy is presently the most martyred and unpopular area of art in the identity aspect, but it has always been an crucial binder in the preservation of Polish culture. I, too, effort to gather the work of our writers, taking into account, of course, poetry, fortunately a fewer people released their works, so it can be said that Zbigniew Herbert directed the string of light to susceptible ground. "An anthology of Polish identity poetry" was a spontaneous project, but now after years I think it is very crucial due to the fact that no 1 has always created specified a bridge between the work and the creator. A creator who wouldn't have a chance of coming out of his own shadow. I myself know that the belief of inability to appear in public space effectively blocks the author and his works go to the bottom of the drawer. The release of the "Archangel and Knight" (here I thank prof. Wielomski and the portal conservatism.pl) gave me the courage to effort to let another creators to exist, due to the fact that I had signals that people write, collect their texts, and it would be good for them to present them, so that poesy becomes visible in a wider group.
Thanks to the goodwill of those who invested in this project, a book containing the poems of 20 authors could be published. I was pleasantly amazed by the consequence to the appeal for texts, the level of this work, the sensitivity of our identity poets, and that was very upbuilding. The first specified publication after 1945 became a fact in 2012, and I am inactive surviving the hope that this task will be continued; I hope that cultural – literary, artistic life will be revived in Poland, that there will be salons where you can present your work and discuss it, that after each specified gathering we will become more sensitive, wiser and will become willing to act – we will start creating permanent traces in our torn national identity. These are inactive things that can be realized and do not require much character.
We were both in the National organization "Szczerbieć" by Marian Barański. I'm certain you'll agree that president Baranski was, and I think he's inactive a individual of integrity. He did not bend the neck of the most unfavorable times. Today, however, he found himself in the Roman Dmowski and Jan Ignacy Paderewski National Heritage Institute controlled by neosanation. I spoke to him this year at the ceremony of PWN leader Bolesław Tejkowski, I saw how abroad this environment was to him today. Do you consider specified activities to be a mistake?
– I believe that compromise has its limits. Not everyone thinks so. Since the national movement renounced the revival of the mediate class, it became a spoil for neosanation, distributing grants, grants, grants, grants, grants, jobs and titles. I know Marian Barański, he wrote an excellent book “Elementary of National Knowledge” as a collection of content applicable to knowing the national thought and learning the political aspects, historical thoughts of the ideological national camp. I'll inactive remember Baranski's patron. However, neither he nor the SN "Szczerbiec" did anything that could last as a political structure, let alone the economical aspect of the political movement. Hence the readiness to power the neosanation ranks, hence the retreat into the shadows. Not just him, anyway.
Marian Baranski did not become the fresh Bolesław Piasecki, while the Institute of National thought became the fresh PAX. Our generation must have set itself up to preserve the idea. We know precisely what happened to the endings in the Nazi business and later the Berman lawlessness. Past generations have someway failed the younger ones. They were expected to give us a better future and teach us realism. It didn't work out most – the responsibility is besides in our generation – at least I feel for it. It was always more and better. present besides on our side reigns romanticist patriotism, insurrectional, neo-sanctionary – hot and easier but shallow. How can we deal with this problem?
– We can't handle this problem. This is due to the fact that there will be no large Poland. We must first ask ourselves this question, who is to build the large Catholic Poland, or the Catholic State of the Polish Nation? Alimentists, divorcees, concubines, believers – not practical? due to the fact that people like that are coming. Let us answer this question, what is the moral quality of Polish society. Does God want large Poland to be composed of broken families, concubines, dealers and suteners? Is the father able to rise his boy as a knight if he divorced his mother? Will a parent set a good example for her daughter if she changes her partners to hatred all the men around her age and instill that hatred in her daughter? Can parents who send their children to church on Sunday and do not go with them be certain that they will not spend their old age in a nursing home? Are the nationalists, imprisoned in Christian personalism, crusaders or cowards, desperately seeking the 3rd cheek to set the hordes of enemies? fewer people ask themselves these questions, and even little effort to answer them. How can we deal with this problem? First of all, take care of the quality of temporal life, return to Tradition. He dug up the old patterns of our ancestors, our grandparents, who could be together for good and for evil, who ate meals together, prayed together and thus were able to last the plague as red and brown, with all its consequences. Without moral renewal, we will be spiritually handicapped, we will become slaves and beggars, organizing net gatherings under any pretext, we will be losers with mouths full of slogans, reaching out hands to state subsidies, embarrassing nationalist symbolism, and avoiding radicalism.
A Pole-failee, with patriotic instincts and delusions, will always put into 1 bed Piłsudski with Dmowski, will always explain and justify the request for inter-sea and will gladly replace the Celtic cross with the black sun. That's what we're watching today. Without changing the personality of the Pole, we cannot cope with this increasing problem, we cannot emergence from Anglo-Saxon captivity, we cannot abandon the cabalistic doctrine of life. so nationalism has become a grotesque phenomenon, without deeper content, but full of slogans too. It is very easy to manipulate people whose notion of reality is based on emotions that bring activity into an online battle. This created façade patriotism, held artificially by the Institute of Dmowski and Paderewski (probably Dmowski himself would not pass). Tradition, Idea, mediate Class, Elites – in specified order we request to rebuild what was lost in May 1926. And then shortly there will be area for the Church (Tradition), school, weapon scope and mint.
The problem is that the Hierarchs frequently side with the Adversary. Just mention the words of Archbishop Jędraszewski – "as a community of the Church surviving in the teaching of Christ, we have the right to thank president Lech Kaczyński and president Jarosław Kaczyński for this". The Hierarchs frequently reject not only the ideas of large Poland, but even Poland itself. Can pro-Catholic policy be pursued in Poland against the hierarchy?
– It is crucial to conduct pro-Catholic politics in Poland often, unfortunately, against the hierarchy, due to the fact that since the Second Vatican Council the Catholic Church has become a carrier of the humanist revolution, whose advocates have become bishops and cardinals, who have advocated against Tradition. In Poland there was no 1 to the satisfaction of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and the Wyszyński – Wojtyła duo introduced council changes zealously and enthusiastically, as mentioned in their statements they frequently confirmed. The problem is that Prof. Maciej Giertych poured spiritual modernism into the people's heads in all possible ways, resulting in the full spiritual impotence of the next generation of nationalists, striving hard for the interests of the Church, who permanently rejects them with the hands of the hierarchs. The way priests treat their faithful and whom they truly service showed Covid hysteria. The post-compulsory church, dependent on state subsidies, whose officers in the episcopal have files in the IPN archives, rots and nothing saves it. For 1 cannot defend the Cross and kiss the Quran at the same time, 1 cannot adore the Blessed Sacrament and worship Pachamam. Neither the fresh evangelization nor pseudoreligious events, akin to what the bishop gave to his faithful Łódź, along with the Jesuit Reclave, will be saved. This will not even be saved by the express rash of the "holy" popes: JXXIII, PVI, JPI, JPII. Since churches novus ordo They are desolate, and there are no vocations for seminars, which means that the Lord God does not like specified religion. If the hierarchs do not see this, it means that they have no religion in themselves and do so consciously, due to the fact that I dare not accuse bishops of stupidity or deficiency of discernment in reality. Fortunately, the work started by Archbishop Lefebvrea besides has its place in our country and let us stick to that.
"Procatholic policy in Poland should be pursued often, unfortunately, against the hierarchy". likewise with wise patriotism, the intelligent patriot must argue this jarmarical one, which serves to powder non-Polish interests. Do you see people worth supporting on the Polish political scene?
– There are surely people in our country worth supporting and consulting. They give us a sense of reality, we have knowledge, we can get an opinion on the current issues. The spectrum is rather wide and the net gives us free education. There's adequate desire and you can grow your horizons. On the another hand, it is worse with politicians, due to the fact that elections to parliament match a slave market, where everyone wants to sale well for a Member's diet or a seat on the board of supervisory companies of the state Treasury. Without a mediate class there will be no national politicians, due to the fact that the mediocre and beggar, sooner and later, himself asks for financial enslavement, frequently calling it political realism. So there is no 1 to support, due to the fact that nationalists/nationalists do not have the money to keep politicians on their side, nor do they have access to secret service archives to control ministers and parliamentarians. In the absence of a desire to build a financial structure, nationalists will always end up as the current RN, MN, MW/ONR syndicate ends. Always 2 exits: return to non-existence or sign the Cyrilograph and join the Sophostic Club.
I know you read “Think Poland”. Despite illegal censorship, the writing develops and leaves. How do you view the subject in it?
– Yes, I read “Think Poland”, I read quite a few titles, I like to have my own opinion on what happens around us. MP frequently discusses topics that interest me, and the run against writing is simply a typical reaction of useful idiots to a different point of view than the 1 given to us to believe by the Warsaw authorities. specified actions are anti-constitutional and anti-democratic – utilizing a demoliberal nomenclature. On the another hand, MP has free advertising.
Thank you very much, Tom. A fewer words from me to the readers of “Polish Thought”.
– I can only say 1 thing: There is no freedom without the Truth, and so the fact against the world! I greet the Editorial of Polish thought and Readers.
He spoke: Łukasz Marcin Jastrzębski
Think Poland, No. 3-4 (15-22.01.2023)
