The coalition is thundering after a fresh idea. ‘They should have agreed’

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Left wants liquidation of the Church Fund Not from now on, but it is only present that the thought is becoming real. The household minister Agnieszka Dziemianowicz-Bąk and organization candidate for president Magdalena Biejat presented on Wednesday a solution that would become a government project.

The thought is short and specific. The Left wants to destruct the Church Fund and impose on spiritual people the method of covering pensions precisely the same as in another professions. The task assumes that 50% of the pension contribution will be paid by the worker (most frequently by the priest), and 50% by the employer (most frequently by the Church or another spiritual association).

– It is time to halt paying contributions for priests and clergy. The rules for paying contributions must change. The ecclesiastical Fund cannot be a “Clarus ZUS” – this is Agnieszka Dziemianowicz-Bąk. As she pointed out, 50 out of 50 would be excluded from the law and missionaries who simply do not earn. At that time, contributions would be paid by the community, church or spiritual association.

– It's very simple, clear solved. We put it on the table, and we want it to be a government project, due to the fact that it wasn't just a postulate of the Left. We number on those who, in October 2023, clearly said that The separation of the Church from the State must be made – emphasized the Minister of the Family.

The liquidation of the Church Fund. fresh thought of the Left


However, this may be a problem, as the first gnash occurred moments after the conference of the Left Politicians. How She Gave Us Agnieszka problem with PSLWednesday's press conference was not consulted with the coalitions.

– As a coalitionist, I am amazed that without any prior arrangements, specified a proposal has been made. As far as I know, my club didn't know anything about it – says Mrs. Troubles. – It will divide again, we will hit each another again, whether it is simply a good thought or not. We truly have specified a tense situation that this is not a good time. – adds.

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The PSL clearly points out that in the current geopolitical situation, any proposals that polarise society in any way are unnecessary. People mostly agree that many things request to be sorted out, but they want to put it on a quieter time.

This subject is controversial. There is simply a squad that works and is besides to be formed a concordat team. However, looking at what is happening in the world, this is not the best time. This is simply a proposal that divides Poles. Some believe that the fund should be completely liquidated and the another group of arms of the fund. It's putting a stick in an anthill. Before you went to the conferences, you should sit down with representatives of coalition clubs and agree on the subject – says Trouble.

The coalition, of course, continues. By the end of the word of office, I hope, any matters relating to the Church Fund will be settled. There was talk of a voluntary copy or any another form. If the ladies are open to another ideas, then let the club heads discuss the subject alternatively of going out in public and presenting something. Sometimes it is better to talk about certain topics in the spheres than to go out in the light of the cameras, due to the fact that then it causes unnecessary tensions – emphasizes Trouble.

“We will not support cutting down the Church’s money”


Indeed, the Left’s policymakers argued that they were putting on the table a solution that was to be a origin for discussion. They stressed that they were open to another ideas, including those relating to a possible 1.5 percent taxation write-off. And if they did, they could have an unexpected partner to talk to.

– All spiritual unions should be financed in a akin way to non-governmental organisations. I'd look for a 1.5 percent copy of the PIT. – says Michał Wawer of the Confederacy. – So that it is for all citizen to decide what spiritual union he wants to finance. The model based on the Church Fund and direct transfer from the budget according to a political decision is indeed obsolete. I realize these. The thought of the Left is to cut the Church’s backing completely and add extra burdens to him without giving him anything in return. We will not support this,” declared the vice-president of the Confederate Club.

But is his organization willing to support a taxation write-off? – We are open to talk about improvement of this system. However, until there is simply a realistic improvement on the table, we will surely not support cutting down the Church's money," says Wawer.

Campaigned “drops”. Voices from PiS and PO


What about the thought of left-wing parliamentarians? In the Civic Platform there is simply a preliminary interest, but besides waiting for specifics. In Law and Justice the other – the organization Jarosław Kaczyński will most likely be against specified solutions. Szymon Hołownia from Poland 2050, in turn, said that the Church Fund should be abolished, but the substance needs to be addressed systematically.

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Robert Telus of the PiS is surprised, but not by the initiative itself, only by the fact that it took so long. – I thought this government would do specified things right after the election. They carry out a policy that they had announced, that is to say, to make Catholics out of privileges. This is the case. After all, there is simply a concordat, an global agreement between Poland and the Vatican. If it turns out to be a government project, everyone will most likely support it, including Poland 2050 and PSL. The church fund should be preserved, Because it's an agreement between 2 countries. You can't just change it like you want the minister. But after this government can be expected everything – says the politician.

The Vice-President of the Civic Coalition Monika Rosa stresses that she is “all for” the liquidation of the Church Fund, although in this case she is looking for a run “drop”.

– I support the liquidation of the Church Fund. I'm annoyed that this occupation is taking so long. I besides know that in a sense it is any kind of "campanite" so I approach it with a slight distance. The thought of liquidating the fund is my favorite. The form of accounting itself is an idea, although the question remains how smaller spiritual unions can handle it. As for the club's common position: if the task goes down, there will be a decision. The club didn't talk about it, but I think there's a akin temper in the KO to yet get this fund out of the way. – emphasises the vice-president of the club KO.

Priest: Circus, which has lasted for years


Meanwhile, the possible liquidation of the Church Fund is doubtful... by the clergy themselves.

– improvement be the liquidation of the Church Fund is not well thought out, We have a kind of endless circus and media sound that has been going on for many years – says Interii Fr.

The clergyman emphasizes that politicians mess with the Church Fund without solving the basic issue.

– First the substance of property commissions must be closed, and then it is possible to proceed to liquidation or change the Church Fund. It's crucial to specify, how many communists have stolen from Catholics and what part of this stolen property has already been donated. Only specified action guarantees a solution erstwhile and for all in a fair manner of these property issues," says Fr.

Deputy Prime Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz drew attention to the same theme. He explained that the case of the Church Fund, besides in the context of the property commission, is being worked by the Ministry of Interior and Administration, and Minister Dziemianowicz-Bąk knows all item of this work.

Prof. Kobyliński argues that "Poland, like another countries, needs a just strategy of financing churches and spiritual unions".

– I have been talking about this consistently for 25 years, I am a strong supporter of specified a system, whether it be a church taxation or any another solution, while in Poland I am horrified by the folly and banality of saying the large majority of politicians. To make specified a proposal that 50% of contributions are to be financed by the clergy, and 50% by the Church is to make media sound from which absolutely nothing will come of it. It's an electoral sausage, a carrying subject that sells well, but specified proposals show that politicians inactive do not realize how churches are financed in European countries – emphasizes the clergy.


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