Conversation with Cynthia McKinney
Many people in the United States and around the planet were fooled by the alleged anti-system image of Donald Trump 8 years ago. How can any fall into the same trap again? Why does Trump mean peace for so many people, not another war, but another part of the world? What is the phenomenon of right-wing populism and the success of politicians specified as Trump, Johnson or Netanyahu?
– I find it hard to comment on the success of Netanyahu, after all I am not an Israeli politician. As for Trump, his success is due to the fall of the left. Speaking of the left, I mean the different shades of the left, I consider myself a typical of the far left, but in the face of today's perturbation, erstwhile all politics turn upside down, I gotta admit that I am so far left that I am... right. There has been an earthquake in American politics, so if you are against war – you do not find support among members and sympathizers of groups who consider themselves progressive, they are definitely pro-war and, I suspect, they have always been. The full dichotomy, the red versus blue, the left against the right, the black versus the white, nevertheless it describes it, is completely false. Since I defended my Ph.D. in 2015, I have tried to show on very concrete examples that this paradigm has been imposed on us from the outside and is in no way suitable for a real description of United States politics. The media always exploit artificial division – Democrats versus Republicans, left against the right, due to the fact that specified paradigm promotes itself, without connection with reality. Meanwhile, in the past, the hard left was real, which I thought was part of, and then something happened to it. George Soros, members of the Clinton Foundation, decided to make a fresh Left from which people not susceptible to bribes and pressures will be eliminated. All they had to do was find people to sing their song. And they did it everywhere in American politics, besides on the alleged right, with which I frequently disagree, but whose interception I besides observe. As a result, a truly left-wing and truly right-wing message has been almost completely eliminated, politics has been put on the head and it is increasingly hard to admit real friends. In order to stay consistent, I am against the present and all another American imperialist wars – so I request to find fresh political friends.
Speaking of the alleged progressive forces in the States, we have all noticed that the establishment of the Democrats, which scares voters with the alleged " Nader effect", that is, the breaking of leftist voices, which only the Republicans are expected to help. You were besides attacked erstwhile you went against this strategy in 2008, moving as a Green organization candidate against Barack Obama and John McCain. Today, the hope for many seems to be Robert Kennedy Jr. How much is his run a threat to the elites of both parties and so does nothing endanger the life of this candidate? RFK junior tweeted late that he would like state control of the national Reserve System, by among another things, specified ideas his uncle did not erstwhile return from Dallas...
– I was just giving an interview in which I stressed that if I always ran for legislature again, my first task would be to repeal the 1913 national Reserve Act. I believe that until we regain control of our monetary system, as long as it is in the hands of an global financier, so long they will share our money between their friends, wage wars not for moral reasons, but for profits, which is the top tragedy of our time. That's the reality. It is not only the national Reserve, but besides the Bank of England and the European Central Bank, which should be dissolved, and decisions should be handed over to those liable to the societies and societies themselves. I believe in direct democracy, including at this level of governance.
Definitely the financial empire is much more powerful present than any state hegemony, and it is in the hands of the financier that is the apparatus of a real planet government.
– As for Robert Kennedy's campaign, the decisive minute was erstwhile he decided that he would not challenge Joe Biden directly, competing in the Democratic primary. As a result, his run became insignificant, I no longer pay peculiar attention to her, unlike before erstwhile there were certain chances of knocking Biden out. surely Kennedy is acquainted with wellness issues, with vaccination issues, but he is fatal about Israel, because, as far as I know, global human rights should mention to all human lives and there are no exceptions. Unfortunately, I am absolutely certain that the pro-Israeli lobby in the United States, utilizing its financial influence, has made a clear decision that Kennedy can only launch as an independent candidate. As a result, we do not really know how many states his name will be on the electoral lists, due to the fact that it is simply a very complex legal process. If it starts at most 20 – in no crucial way will it affect the result of the election.
I agree, the most disappointing minute of the Kennedy run was his position on the Palestinian issue. Unfortunately, I think that all candidate in the U.S. election he wants to call himself serious must make all effort to introduce himself even more pro-Israeli than the another major candidates.
- Right! But it's the same problem as the national Reserve, the problem where most of the money comes from in the American political strategy – these are the owners of the national Reserve, global banking corporations, bankers, as it is today. They finance their friends, deprive their enemies of funds, and buy people, make petents of them, sacrificing the most sacred values even if the price is right. This has been the case for a long time with abroad policy and now with interior politics in the United States. Just as Henry Kissinger said, “there is no place for morality in American abroad policy”, and now the same has happened to national policy. People in the United States die without access to healthcare. My boy went to school in Italy on the basis of his visa had wider access to wellness insurance than most Americans. That doesn't be in the United States! The ObamaCare program was expected to be a step ahead, but people in Asia, where I live now, call it powdering: something is expected to exist, it's expected to change something, but only fake. ObamaCare was expected to supply the Americans with access to wellness protection, but he actually only made wellness insurance available, that is, the transfer of public funds to private insurance companies. That's not health! And if we test any health-related indicator, for example, the expected life expectancy – they all proceed to decrease! Apart from the alleged wellness protection of dollars – their number only increases.
In fact, almost everything in the United States is powdered like this today, so erstwhile Trump talks about "cleaning the system" I realize that people can identify with it. As an African American woman, I have long seen how much this strategy has been manipulated, and in fact it has been since the Constitution was established, excluding women's rights as well as men deprived of wealth. The United States strategy has always been based on manipulation and we must yet see it. Let's look at things real! And if we want real solutions, we can't anticipate them if we don't decently diagnose the problems. So erstwhile Trump said the strategy was manipulated, he was absolutely right. People began to follow and even support his run due to the fact that he spoke their language. Like the average American uses to discuss over dinner. Trump besides said he was going to "drink the swamp". It's true, Washington and the state capitals are bayonets! There's a lot to dry, you request to remove the cork and let all that dirt drain. Of course it's inactive necessary!
The left side of American politics is inactive divided, divided. The American Left likes to position itself as wise men from the mountains, giving with superiority many advices, but not presenting any real solutions. It is easy to criticize individual who is active, specified as you, politically and socially, but erstwhile it comes to self-organization, problems always arise, and not only with alleged left-wing intellectuals. Where does this weakness come from?
– Part of the answer is to support Americans for Donald Trump's slogan of manipulating the system. And in my opinion, erstwhile the strategy is manipulated and we operate within it – then we are manipulated. United States society is besides manipulated by maintaining divisions. Gilad Atzmon in his book Being in Time described the Balkanization of modern public life, especially in America, but this besides applies to another states and societies. It's hard for me to say for others, but I'm certain that's what happens in the United States. People can barely go beyond their debauched existence. In addition, news streams are, as Simon Hirsch said, resonated, which allowed, among another things, the United States war lobby, through intelligence agencies to fabricate evidence against Saddam Hussein, and then through these services to hand it straight to the White House, to the vice president's office. It was a directional information, not passed on further so that the White home could confirm: “Yes, we have specified knowledge, blah, blah. That is the case and that is why we must go to war." There was no debate due to the fact that no 1 else saw these materials. This is how the United States population is managed, targeting political opinions. We are so dealing with the Balkanisation of society and the consolidation of information and public opinion, and in specified conditions it is very easy to divide and rule, due to the fact that the divided society is governed most easily. That's why American society is so politically dysfunctional.
I agree. The most dangerous tools in the hands of not only the American, but in general the western establishment include alienation and polarization...
– Full consent, besides regarding the information transmission. On the 1 hand, we have a deep state, whose message is ubiquitous, where not to turn. Even if there are facts in it, they're already manipulated. erstwhile you go to a football game or basketball game, you watch athletes who communicate views that are utilized to manipulate you. The same is done by singers and another celebrities – on each side you are to receive the same message. The average recipient has almost no chance of getting free of it, and this is simply a very crucial component of the full problem.
Reaching with an independent message is absolutely crucial, including the fact about imperialist wars. This is why my next question is about your participation in the Rage Against the War device march against the inspiring function of the American administration in the war in Ukraine.
– Before the large marches, as a associate of Congress, I spoke to a number of councillors: “You cannot go there!” 5 of us replied, “You will not tell us what to do!” But erstwhile the time came, 11 o'clock, I was the only 1 on the phase from the members of Congress, the remainder of them chickened out. I guess there's no specified thing as a brave politician... Since they are politicians, they take the mimicry rule very seriously in their service. But real public service is not the same as politics. It is simply serving the interests of the nation. To be honest, I'm not certain what the anti-war movement is at right now, in any case, in the United States. It's hard to even talk about organized movement. What's closest to him is halt the War against Gaza bombings. This, of course, is much needed and I powerfully support it, but I will repeat, thousands and millions protested against the erstwhile wars, in a large march against the Iraq war, where I spoke, there were 300,000 people – and we did not halt the war! It was the year the war organization got me out of legislature for the second time.
Of course, the parties to war are both Democrats and Republicans. And I was removed due to the fact that there was a vote coming up on backing the Iraq War. Of course, I objected, so all the war interests coincided in Georgia to guarantee that I did not win. And so, electronic voting machines were used, very useful in electoral manipulations (and Georgia utilized them for the first time). That's how they stole my election. My successor (as it turns out the replacement explanation is true!) voted for funds for the Iraq war, and guess how many votes it took to get this proposal through? 218. And how many votes were cast for the motion to fund the war? precisely 218! It wouldn't have happened if I was inactive in Congress.
The problem with the anti-war movement, not just in the US, is its divisions. I mentioned the last Rage Against the War device march besides for 1 more reason. This action was co-organised by People’s Party, no uncertainty leftist, and Libertarian Party, that is, under American right. Both parties were attacked for their cooperation, from both sides of the political scene. It's about your remark that you're so far to the left that almost on the right...
- Yes!
You were attacked in a akin way, for example, erstwhile you promoted Ayo Kimati's broadcast, a strong criticism of Zionism. individual clearly does not want people and groups with different ideas working together on issues specified as the threat of global war or genocide in Gaza.
– Of course they don't. possibly we can go back to COINTELPRO's counterintelligence program, conducted by the FBI on orders from the U.S. government, the illegal and anti-American program, as Senator Frank Church described it, investigating the case. And he led them due to the fact that in March 1971 a group of courageous activists broke into the FBI office in Pennsylvania discovering papers about surveillance of independent political environments. These papers are presently available online, a number of books have been written on this subject, specified as The COINTELPRO Papers and Agents of Repression. The second focuses peculiarly on the surveillance of American Indian movements by the US government and the full administration, as the case active not only the FBI, but besides the CIA and local police, carrying out illegal activities against American citizens whose sole responsibility was the desire to enforce their constitutional rights. These papers leave no illusions. They don't want the blacks and whites to act together, they don't want the young to act together with the old. It's right there! And since the thought that we can act together spends their sleep together – that's what we should do! And I wasn't the first to come to that conclusion. He was like that in the 1930s. Marcus Garvey himself, a Jamaican organized politically blacks in the States against oppression. And he's the 1 who just announced that a coalition of white and black nationalists is necessary. I read that conviction once, and my friend and political son, Ayo Kimathi, has the courage to truly do it. So he takes white nationalists, those who would never even talk to black people, but now they realize that possibly common themes, that there is convergence of any goals and aspirations, that there are matters in a unique way, in quotes, “American” on which we can work together.
And it's large to see it. Of course, it is difficult, we have already talked about the strongholding, about the Balkans, it takes a truly peculiar head to be free from it to rebel, to say: “I do not intend to be shaped by another people’s values. I will form myself, according to my values.” I meet quite a few young people on the another side, they were not only so anti-... but alternatively so pro-white that they saw only white people. To the point that I wasn't seen as a United States citizen. Historically, black people in the United States lament: “Oh, it breaks the constitution, due to the fact that it was expected to be a free country!” Today, constitutional laws have been taken from us all, including censorship, and it has become so clear to many people that these white nationalists admit "we cannot handle this alone, we request allies!" And it was large to see that.
Yes, we just gotta take the first step, although the enemy is watching, not wanting our cooperation. You said censorship, police repression. The chain on which we are kept shortens overnight.
– I utilized to not realize the connection of many cases, that was until 9/11. I was then in Paris at a conference The fact at 9/11 erstwhile I learned that the fact at 9/11 was... anti-Semitic! And I asked myself: why would the investigation into how 4 times a trillion-day military and intelligence infrastructure of the United States could neglect so – it should be anti-Semitic?! And that's what people who aren't even Semites say... That's erstwhile it hit me that it might just be a threat to the same people who print our money, to the global bankers class that wants to take distant our constitutional right to discuss matters of vital importance to American taxpayers. At the time it seemed shocking, while present we see clearly how our elected representatives dance precisely to this melody. That is why they are not investigating 9/11, giving us powdered, manipulated “investigation”. So we inactive have no answer, just as we do not know the explanation of the global, political "epidemic" through which almost the full planet was closed and under which pretext people were forced to inject themselves with a substance of unknown composition and origin. How could this happen? Or possibly it's inactive the same business and the same force that doesn't want anyone asking any questions, not giving any answers, and not wanting people to read and listen?
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The full conversation can be viewed on YouTube channels Against Censur and Without Censorship (original in English).
Cynthia McKinney – American politician, lawyer and political scientist. From 1997 to 2003 and 2005 to 2007, she sat in the home of Representatives as a typical of the Democrats elected in the state of Georgia. In 2008, she ran for the Green organization presidential election.
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