Conversation with Mariusz Dzierżawski
I am glad that you agreed to an interview for Polish Thought. Since we have worked politically together, I in the National-Democratic organization and you in the Real Policy organization – it has been many years. What has changed since then in your life, your policy has stopped?
– Since you have reminded me of a political episode in my life, I will say a fewer words about it, due to readers who do not remember these times. In 1990, I joined the UPR, and in 1995, after a divided in this party, together with colleagues who referred to themselves as conservatives, we founded the Real Policy Party, which was part of the AWS. After the 1997 election winning for this formation, most colleagues decided to operate in larger formations, and for me it became apparent that I was not fit for organization politics. respective years of political activity allowed me to see the challenges facing Poland. I then realized that the largest of them are of a civilisational nature. due to this, I became active first in combating pornography and later in anti-killing children conceived. I deal with this so far due to the fact that I am convinced that these are fundamental matters for the future of Poland.
Back to SPR. Do you not think that present the program of specified a group, referring to realism and balance, calling for the fact that no enemy is needed from Russia at all costs?
– We took the postulates of realism from UPR, although it is hard to tell what this realism was about. At that time UPR served as a platform for formulating superb and conflicting views. Of course, this had many advantages, but it is barely called political realism. The foundation for SPR was the Polish state. However, we request to be aware of the problem of the concept of “realism” in politics, which is present called “effectiveness”. “Realism” without a clear definition of the goal turns into a strivavelled makiawelism, most frequently meaning that it is about gaining and maintaining power, or in a modester version, participation in it. I'm afraid present we have besides many of these realists. In order to avoid a akin degrengolada, the Polish state's right must be clearly defined first. The foundation must be identity. erstwhile asked about the identity of Poland, Dmowski answered with the word “Catholicism”. Looking at the past of the First Republic you can add to this “freedom”. Political realism should indicate how Catholicism is protected, and freedom should strengthen and defend itself from self-birth. We are presently seeing the demolition of religion and the improvement of tyranny in Poland.
In any case, at the time we realized in the SPR that media-based democracy and large business had many drawbacks, and the European Union is moving towards socialism. We have been free from ideological illusions that eternal peace has come, and the full planet will inevitably prosecute prosperity under only the right leadership of the United States. We realized that only Poles are curious in the existence and strength of Poland and Poland's EU membership threatens to lose sovereignty. We did not want to replace vassal relations with the USSR with vassal relations with the EU or the US. It can be said that the illness of the modern West is simply a distraction from reality. The large media make a image of a planet where the demoliberal strategy is the best strategy possible and leads inevitably to the construction of a paradise on earth. This paradise has not yet been established due to the fact that there are forces of evil that turn into evil dictators. In the name of the conflict for good and universal peace, the United States and their allies have liberated the dictators of Libya, the Iraqis, and have continuously organized various liberation movements. The situation of the liberated cannot be said to improve. In 2014, the United States helped free Ukraine from the tyrant Yanukovych and has since helped free Ukraine from dependence on Russia. The effects of this release are being observed. It is in Poland's interest to keep the best possible relations with its neighbours, not to carry out ideological projects which not only have nothing to do with the Polish state's rations, but are a threat to it. Good relations with Russia are beneficial for Poland. The policy of confrontation leads to a situation in which Ukraine is today.
How do you view the politics of our authorities, and more broadly the Polish planet of politics and media towards the war in Ukraine?
– At the beginning of the war, we observed a complete separation from reality. Many politicians and journalists expected Russia's triumph and humiliation. There were voices that Poland should become more active in the war. Stanisław Michalkiewicz mocked this attitude by writing that elites are afraid that they will not be able to win. A brief comparison of the possible of Ukraine and Russia was adequate to conclude that Ukraine's triumph was impossible, even with large aid from the West. Nevertheless, politicians and the media have puffed up expectations. A fewer months ago, on the occasion of the loudly announced counteroffensive, the balloon was pumped intensely. Recently, the air from the balloon slow escapes, due to the fact that the offensive ended in a complete fiasco, which is apparent even for Polish media and politicians. Ukrainian authorities could have led to peace a fewer days after the invasion began. As late acknowledged by David Arachamija, the Ukrainian chief negotiator during talks in Istanbul, the Russians demanded that Ukraine declare neutral position and not aspire to NATO. The Americans and the British pressed to break the negotiations ensuring their support in the fight for the final victory. Vladimir the Zelenski Anglosas listened. As a result, Ukraine is an economical bankruptcy, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians died or suffered severe wounds, millions were forced to abandon their homes. Polish authorities and media were active in incitement to war and they are besides liable for the current disastrous situation of Ukraine, which could be avoided.
Recently, your comments on the subject have appeared in the weekly "To Things". What prompted you to print in this magazine?
– For years, the media in Poland, both public and private, has not been active in informing the public but are a tube of government propaganda, EU propaganda, or American propaganda. Against this background, the “To the Thing” is positively distinguished. The weekly did not fall into anti-covid amok at the beginning of the alleged pandemic, nor did he succumb to the enthusiasm of the instigators of war against the war in Ukraine, but he drew attention to the dangers associated with it. You can see that the editorial board is in contact with reality. On the issues of civilization that I deal with all day, the editorial board does not yield to ideological pressure, it knows that abortion is murder, and practicing perverts is harmful. These are the reasons why I read “To Things”. In addition, I have written respective texts relating to civilization and the ongoing war. I offered them to Paul Lisicki, whom I have known for a long time and appreciated very much, and the editorial board felt that they were suitable for publication, which made me very happy.
In relation to the 1990s, erstwhile we started our political activity, much changed, we were not yet a associate of NATO and the EU. Does Poland presently have any anticipation of any manoeuvre? Is there area for a kind of sovereign abroad policy?
“Hungary is besides a associate of NATO and the EU, yet they can conduct policies independent of Americans and Germans. It may be assumed that this is due to Orban's individual charisma. Elections in Slovakia and Robert Fico's government policy show that independency can be increased even without prominent personalities. The problem of Poland is that the full political class cannot even imagine that it could think alone, without guidance from Washington or Berlin. Indeed, the only associate who speaks Polish is Grzegorz Braun. The anti-EU politician Jarosław Kaczyński dreams of being "as in the West" in Poland.
The main threat arising from membership of the Union is that it has become a tool of revolutionary ideology. The foundation on which Europe was founded was Christianity, as well as the civilization of the Greeks and Romans. Today, the Union is fighting Christianity, undermining the principles of logic, which has been the foundation of discipline since Greek times, destroying the legal strategy which was based on the principles of Roman law. The Union is an anti-European organisation. An additional threat is EU bureaucracy, which wants all associate States to impose absurd economical concepts and criminal moral concepts. The execution of conceived children and the promotion of perverts are, according to the Brussels Commissioners, "human rights". The ideological resemblance of EU Commissioners and Bolshevik Commissioners 100 years ago is striking. present the revolution comes from the West. The reason for Poland's state is to defy this revolution. The Russians have long since realized the revolutionary dangers of the West and are trying to halt them. The promotion of perverts is prohibited, and the government is trying to limit abortion. I think this is simply a field of possible cooperation, but it would only be possible if the Polish elites were guided by the Polish state ration.
Do you see any groups on the Polish political scene that may be close to what we preached in the 1990s. For example, I am curious in your attitude towards the Confederacy.
I told you about Grzegorz Braun. As far as another Confederates are concerned, I think they are afraid to say anything that is not in line with mainstream. They most likely know that membership of the Union is harmful to Poland, but they did not dare to put up the issue of "polexite", due to the fact that they say 90% of Poles are satisfied with membership of the Union. Of course, politics is not about creating scandals, but a politician who says only what he thinks most people think is not suitable for leadership. Especially in times of confusion we are dealing with today.
He spoke: Jan Engelgard
Think Poland, No. 51-52 (17-24.12.2023)
