About the latest movie Gietrzwald 1877. We are talking to his director, Grzegorz Braun, associate of the European Parliament and president of the Confederation of the Polish Crown.
We are talking at a unique time, during the screenings held throughout the country of your latest movie "Gietrzwald 1877. War of Worlds". This is the movie that started your historical reflections in the book, Gietrzwald 1877.
- A book.
You talk modestly, the book.
– This is six years ago, the yield of the first query. The position of this text is simply a historical-literary story, although with bibliography, due to the fact that it is here already. I wanted to figure out any literature for the reader so no 1 would think that I was sucking it off my finger. Six years ago, we made a decision together with Vladimir Skalik, present an MP. At the time, we were both civilians, and meanwhile, we had different commitments, but we made a decision to make the film. This movie has yet finished and I urge it to your attention. If the editor mentions it, I'm in a hurry to advertise here. Web site giegrzwald1877.pl, page shows. These shows are not ticketed, are free of charge, already organized in respective twelve cities in the country. besides any abroad ones are pre-arranged, but you should look at this page to book a place, at 1 of these shows, if the places are inactive available, due to the fact that we are not ticketing, but we want to control the situation so that these places are enough. We agreed that you would halt me from betraying besides much here, not lifting the secret, but it would not be a spoiler of any serious, that this is simply a movie about the close war, about the close uprising in Poland, which was expected to be the trigger for the explosion. This was another uprising in Poland to launch a series of events, a domino reaction that would lead to an escalation of war. I urge to all Poles interesting own history, which Polish patriot, and which Polish stateman is not interesting history. Most of us seem to be well-blown in this story. Yeah, and it seemed to me before six years ago I went for that year 1877.
Why the interest?
It's a circumstantial conversation. Yes, before that, there have been any fittings, intuitions, but a conversation with the priest prof. Krzysztof Bielawny, who is simply a specialist, can be said to be the main drillman in Polish historiography. By education as a clergyman, he is simply a skilled theologian, but he is besides a historian, author of books and historical studies, which – attention – concern the phenomenon of Gietrzwald and its sociological and demographic repercussions. The conversation with the prof. led me to the points I had previously known about how the national government in Vienna, the English money that had already been paid, had just been discussed. I knew it, but I didn't know it and I didn't sync everything in my head under that 1 date. It is simply a war, or actually an escalation of war, due to the fact that in 1877 the war is already under way, but it is going beyond mountains, behind forests, in Bulgaria. The Moscows are fighting the Turks and there is no Moscow war in Polish historical consciousness. Stach Wokulski returns from this war in the first chapter of the Doll, and that's all we know about it. And this is simply a fictional figure, and war is far away. I will hazard the thesis that few, if anyone, connected the destiny of this war with the Polish case. fewer people, if anyone, saw in this war events possibly breakthrough for the Polish case in the second half of the 19th century. This year 1877 is fundamentally a white spot, a black hole. There's nothing going on. It's boring for historians. any kind of industrial development, Łódź basins. This is what is said, but nothing else happens, due to the fact that for Poles only happens erstwhile there is an uprising, erstwhile there is war. So my thesis is that this war could very rapidly scope to the land of the Kingdom of Poland, the land of all 3 occupations. In my film, I besides talk about the various things I learned during my work. I continued the question, casually, of course, where possible limited by parliamentary duties. In the meantime, Vladimir Skalik performed an awesome operation. He led to the budget of this film. The film's budget was tremendous due to the fact that we utilized to go to different abroad countries, besides to the another side of the globe, where there are certain themes of the story. erstwhile Guatemala, Central America. We went to Russia, Bulgaria, Turkey and the West – to Berlin, Paris.
Some of the photos were complicated by the pandemic regime, the lockdown regime, the blockages, the communication difficulties, so they stretched. But thanks to the long haul, I've learned more and found more blocks, puzzles of this puzzle, and Włodzimierz Skalik, the maker of this film, has done the things we pride ourselves on. We are very arrogant of the fact that this movie came from funds collected in the public collection mode, i.e. from a widow's penny. It was not funded by any ministry, no committee of cinematography, and we are very arrogant to have paid whoever wanted to. No strategical sponsor. We're very sorry. Yes, our fellow countrymen have contributed to this and we are able to thank any of them by name, and here in general, so beautifully bowing down and thank you for allowing this work to be done by the thousands of people who wanted to contribute to this budget. It's a point of honor for me and mine with Vladimir Skalik. We didn't delete you under duress, did we? No 1 who did not want to, did not have to, and now see anyone can and invitation to the website of firewall1877.pl page shows.
I have already had a unique chance to participate in a media show and I will not share my impressions in any meticulous way. delight visit the Think Polish portal.info. It's short, but it's a review.
– Yes, not exceeding this limit, but I am very arrogant that the Dear Editor sees in my movie an interest in geopolitics, geostrategics, which I think is underestimated by Polish historians, historians of Polish military, Polish irredents and insurgent activities. We do not see it widely, and I think that by looking at the year 1877, namely this geopolitical context of the gieczwałdze apparitions we begin to see Poland in the context of the destiny of the Polish nation in the context of the large game of powers. I hope that you besides have been impressed with the news.
Even besides hard for a while. I'll be honest with you, it's a scary thing to do. Could we draw a small closer to the mysterious character of Munro-Butler-Johnstone, a British emissary?
– Yeah, that's the devil out of a box that pops erstwhile we take a look at 1877. This is the character that comes out of the shadow of history. This is simply a man who is surely a loyal British subject and that is why he is simply operating. He conducts operations that aim to organize a diversion in the back, which is the British, London, besides another capitals, not only for the hand, but is urgently needed in 1877, due to the fact that the Moscow march, the Danube push and the passage through the Balkan pass ignites primarily in London, as well as in another capitals all the lights, due to the fact that from their point of view it is simply a march to the Turkish straits, to Constantinople, which, as the historical enquiry shows, was thought by not abroad staffs and leaders of the Russian day. May I remind you that this is the era of Alexander II, the last years of his life. It is besides very interesting that many heroes of this communicative live to the end of their days. Alexander II will lose the life of notabene in the assassination. Wilhelm I, the Emperor of Germany – it is already his last years and the last war he might want to wage. Only Queen Victoria will live to see the 20th century. This is surely a large game for readers of the “Polish Thoughts” by the word alien, but let us remind that this is simply a word not publicistic, but expert in Russian and British historiography or more of Anglo-Saxon. Moscals, Americans, British are aware that this is the main network of tensions and this is the main context of events that have occurred on the global phase since the 18th century. The large game is about India, the Far East. It's besides about China at any point. present China has emancipated, but the large game is on. This is simply a game for the Indian Ocean. Are these the first Cossacks to drink horses in the ocean? Or will the first British enter Central Asia through Afghanistan and fit in there to cut the Silk Road? Exit of Russian amia to the Balkans is another their approach to Turkish straits. Let us remember that the erstwhile attempt, which may have ended with the entry into Constantinople, had already taken place, but political conditions stopped this war on the eve of our revolution, our November provocation.
This was in 1829 and so the commander known to Poles who were curious in that era, General Dybicz had the title Zabalkański. It's due to the fact that he testified in that war. The Russians have approached the Turkish Straits since Catherine. They don't make it, but it's a map of a large game. Ladies and gentlemen, I ask you to check, by reaching for the book and watching the film, that this is not any weakness of my mind, that I look at these matters and see at their center Gietrzwald. I can see in the center it's not even a tiny town, but a village, then a village, not known to anyone. In Warmia, the last, only part of East Prussia, whose Protestant revolution did not take place in the 16th century and there in Dietrichswalde, present in Gietrzwald, in the summertime of 1877 there are mysterious, impossible to explain in terms of physical events, which is besides strictly, widely and profoundly documented. This is the phenomenon of the apparitions of the Virgin Mary in Gietrzwald that they are documented. Commissions – bishopy, theological, physician-involved physician- protestor, as the bishop himself took care of, so that the fly would not sit down, so that no 1 would think that they were Catholic, as they said, Catholic swindles. Apart from this mysterious phenomenon, which I, in my movie and in my book, talk about comparatively least, due to the fact that it has its own literature of the subject and can be reached for, there is simply a sociological phenomenon. The analogy that comes to my mind: this is the first Polish solidarity, that is, the common-uncommon movement of Poles from all lands. Poles then, in Gietrzwald in 1877 saw for the first time specified a number, in specified a mass.
They came from all the labors.
– From all, and even from the another side – from emigration. They saw each other, they counted themselves and it is truly phenomenal that these events, this caliber in numbers, are so widely ignored by Polish historiography. Polish historiography does not see Gietrzwałd as a turning point in Polish history. I full agree with the diagnosis which prof. Krzysztof Bielawny has just made, giving the title in his book, which concerns these matters. Her name is independency came out of Gietrzwald. There is truly no talk of regaining independency without this event. But don't let it discourage you, it won't irritate you, it'll alternatively interest you. I'll bet with each of the Readers that even those in the past of flustered, read in my movie will find information, facts that they have never encountered before. And it should be an encouragement.
We may think that revelations and geopolitics are 2 different spheres. There was a division introduced by Bolesław Piasecki, who talked about spiritualist and materialistic thinking. We are dealing with something else here: a sacral but realistic view of the processes that took place in Europe. This video besides shows a message based on political reality. Back to the uprisings again. This movie is simply a informing against the insurgent Polish mentality.
- Yeah. This movie simply papers the case of another future uprising as a abroad provocation. And since we see it so clearly in 1877, due to the fact that we really know who and what kind of money has already paid, by ordering the burning of Polish lands for diversions in the back of the large game of empires, let us not underestimate it and let us besides look at those insurctions that have been effectively started. Let's see Munro-Butler-Johnstone's predecessors. Though generations pass, realities change, including battlefields, mechanisms do not change, not geostrategic directions and a network of tensions in which we sit. movie Gietrzwald 1877. planet War is simply a real war movie. There is talk about mystics, but besides about the method and tactics of modern battlefield. And it's beautiful sensational: American arms shipments to the Balkan theatre in 1870.
The analogy of what happens today. What did the Americans supply then?
– In my generation there was specified a cult, due to the fact that the window was seldom opened to any another planet – westerns. For example, we all remember the James Stewart Winchester’73 film. It was these rifles in number, if I remember correctly, that 50,000 were fixed by the Turks and the American maker made most of it. It seems that more than 30,000 of these Winchesters have come to this theatre of war and that has weighed on the destiny of the war. The sale of specified not yet automatic, but rapidly repetitive, or guaranteeing fast reloading of rifles, importantly increased the ability of Turks to block Russians in the Balkans. individual might think it's overestimated, but I think that those over 30,000 Winchester rifles are like a twelve F-16s present to sale a fighting side. There were besides prototype rifles, in simplicity – device guns, but experts will improve that it is actually called the Gatling carder. besides remembered from westerns, a crank gun. The planet of 1877 is fascinating in its modernity. We already have a telegraph, not without wire, but guaranteeing fast flow of information, notabene besides already and after the transatlantic cable. We have what I don't mention in the film, but it's applicable to the scenery of the time, aerial reconnaissance, balloons. In the Black Sea torpedoes are tested last year. What else? It's mass printing, so it's a propaganda war, that's erstwhile it's started. A very modern world. In 1877, most likely by autumn, so after the full situation was unloaded, a telephone line from Berlin to Warcin was placed, to Bismarck's estate, in which he always spent a good year. This is simply a very modern world.
Some realities are changing, but the closer you look at them, the more, I hope, you will get this impression of the actuality of these matters. I, erstwhile I was 50, began to get acquainted with this intrigue, and erstwhile this white place began to fill in my historical consciousness with any facts, I concluded that this puzzle, although to the end, was beginning to look somehow. So much has come together that the minute has come that we should share. present I can't be amazed that I've never seen that elephant in a menagerie before. I encourage you to proceed your historical, press, at the level of white intelligence. What is available in literature is sometimes multiple causes specified as these Winchesters. They're not in the books on stories written by titled deioscriptors, but they're somewhere in specialist literature about weapons and weapons. There are many another details. They are not in the mainstream, in the canon, they are not in synthesis concerning the political past of that day, but are located somewhere mostly in Anglo-Saxon and Russian literature. The reality of the world's conflict as it was then, the global conflict, The First planet War 40 years earlier, for the Anglo-Saxons and the Moscows was obvious.
I wonder if this is fresh adequate that we can most likely talk about the first depiction of what later geopolitic precursors referred to as the clash of the Land Empire with the Sea Empire. What could be specified a Gietrzewałd of the year 2024?
– Let's not invent dust, let's do this lesson, which is, and erstwhile we do it, possibly we'll have any more way of reasoning and acting. Ladies and gentlemen, let's see the highest in Gietrzwald in 2027. Why? It'll be the 150th anniversary, the only 1 in our lives. On a circular anniversary for a century of apparitions, in 1977, the Bishop of Warmia Drzazga issued a peculiar decree concerning these apparitions. They are the only ones with specified position canonically confirmed. Only on Polish lands. Why these, not others? That's due to the fact that the documentation is preserved. We had access to it courtesy of the hosts of the Warmia Kuria in the archive there. This is besides notabene not published so far in extenso. There are any discussions, there are any quotes, but documentation – all this is waiting for historians, waiting for researchers. Let's meet the furthest in 2027 in Gietrzwałd, due to the fact that – if we can avoid the geostrategic trap that we are one more time pushed into – there is no another way but to think about what we have influence on. We have no influence on the large game of empires. We have no execution, no management, no hotline, no Kremlin, no White House, no Beijing. But we can think about ourselves. We can look at whether we are not besides easy to perform, sometimes even with enthusiasm, as a pawn in this large game, like any cards, frills to easy throw off in the game the actual imperialists. It's been a small besides easy in the erstwhile centuries, so let's do the Gietrzwald lesson.
Let's see for ourselves how we were seen from that perspective. How does London look at Poland, present Washington; how does Berlin, Moscow, then Petersburg, then see us? They see us like the theatre of war. It is in our vital interest that this war here, on this theatre, should not get heated.Therefore, if it was possible to avoid playing the function of the fire of war and revolution, then – in 1877, it may win today. I am talking about the revolution, due to the fact that these are besides the times erstwhile Marx and Engels had made specified a diagnosis a fewer years earlier. They said, "We can always number on Poles." As the rationalists of this revolution. As a fire. They knew very well that in order for the revolution to prevail, planet war was needed first. Poles are dreamt, the first to commit harakiri, the first to jump into an empty swimming pool on the head for a burning promise that before we scope the bottom, individual will pour water.
Unfortunately, this does not change, although the Ukrainians who are present as Poles went to the first fire.
– I was talking about it in public, so it's in my papers, or possibly in the indictment. I said 10 years ago: Poles will be the main course. Ukraine's on the first course. In my darkest dreams, I didn't dream it up, and it never occurred to me that Ukrainians would start so fast. They play the function of cannon meat. Hundreds of thousands of people have gone to the ground. Their elite was invited among consumers – not consumed anymore, but consumers. The elite, the current Kiev regime, was undoubtedly invited by its promoters, its curators leading a large game of empires at least to the subtable. Who are they gonna eat at this sub-table? It seems clear from the speech and tenor of the statements of the leaders of the fallen Ukrainian state that how low they would not fall, how large a disaster they would not bring upon their citizens, it does not prevent them from looking down and treating Warsaw and the Warsaw statesmen who, in turn, are inactive not able to realize that abroad policy limited to clientelism and politics whose main and only intent is to aspire to the function of the most loyal American agent on the European continent – even this policy will not be rewarded with crumbs from your table, due to the fact that any crumbs here would not fall, will inactive be skimped to the Ukrainian side. And here's the Gietrzwald lesson truly is on time. erstwhile we moved on six years ago, Vladimir Skalik and I didn't realize how much this subject would update us. If we had finished this movie as God had commanded – quickly, during a year-two, then possibly he would not have knocked the nerves of modern times so strongly, those geostrategic tensions that are affecting us today.
Matthew Piskorski spoke
The full conversation available on the YT channel Against the Censur.
Think Poland, No. 39-40 (22-29.09.2024)
