– I had a long conversation in the Kremlin with Vladimir Putin in 2002. Then I returned from the beginning game of the planet Cup in Korea and Japan... He was then a young president, two-year-old, I was an old seven-year-old, and we had a conversation in Russian," he said. He emphasized that the conversation was held without an interpreter. – Then all Russian officials feel better... there is no 1 to study later," he added.
At the time of this discussion, Putin exchanged his 2 “main goals”. – First – rebuild Russia's global position. That's understandable. all president is obliged to build this position. That didn't surprise me. The second is to rebuild “Great Russia”. We already realize that – it cannot be rebuilt without Ukraine, without Belarus, without Caucasus, without Central Asia (...) Ukraine is the key, Ukraine is the cradle, Ukraine is the Kiev Russian. Putin's goal is to have this Ukraine in his sphere of influence. He'll do anything – he said.
Kwasniewski mentions a conversation with Putin. “He will usage all Trump’s naiveties”
The erstwhile president of the Republic of Poland admitted that he did not realize why Putin decided to prosecute his goals "with a very tough, war method". – He thus built himself a actual enemy in the nation, especially in the young generation of Ukrainians. Those who survived this war will never love Russia," he said.
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– Putin will usage all Trump's naiveties to first have occupied lands, then to bring about, as he says, “to destruct Zelenski's regime”, Kwaśniewski added. “If a man who has not erstwhile passed a full honest election says that he does not recognise Zelenski and believes that the solution would be to establish a temporary administration under the auspices of the UN, then these are extraordinary things,” Kwasniewski said.
At the same time, the erstwhile president acknowledged that he doubted Putin would aid Trump meet his Greenland objectives. – Russians have their arctic interests around the North Pole (...) This acquisition of Greenland “as butter” will not pass, but it is useful for Putin for now. "You want Greenland, I want Ukraine, let's make a deal," he said.
Kwasniewski mentions a conversation with Putin. ‘Putin number 4 or 5’
The programme leader Piotr Witwicki drew attention to various faces of Vladimir Putin, which he presented over the years.
– Today, if Putin from the interview in 2002 called “Putin No. 1”, in my assessment present we have “Putina No. 4” or “Putina No. 5”, said Aleksander Kwasniewski.
– This Putin was the “Putin No. 2 or 3”, erstwhile he already felt strength, he had quite a few experience but he was not crazy about rebuilding “Big Russia” – he explained.
According to erstwhile president Putin, who is 72, he wants to leave behind a legacy. – He, who was the first to say that the collapse of the russian Union was the biggest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century, wants to show that he fixed it. It's not so much his plan as his obsession. Ukraine is definitely an obsession. This is simply a very hard partner, with a immense power, whose Trump envied him," said the guest of the program "Most crucial questions".
Aleksander Kwasniewski recalled that Vladimir Putin appeared years ago on Westerplatte on the anniversary of the outbreak of planet War II and sent a letter to “Gazeta Wyborcza”.
– I, from my sources, know that this was mainly a consequence of Angela Merkel's pressure. She explained the simple thing to him, they understood each another well, due to the fact that they both spoke German, German, German. She explained to him that Poland is in the European Union, it is simply a large country, it will play a function and Russia should not go to knives, it is better to have Poland at least neutralised. It ended as it ended, with a Smolensk disaster – he reminded.
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