- I am mostly disappointed by the activity of the Pegasus committee - said Prof. Marcin Matczak in the program "The Most crucial Questions". - Zbigniew Ziobro destroyed the judiciary and the state. (...) In the sense of human rights, he is simply a murderer - added the lawyer. "It is not apparent to me whether the public knows what level of crime has been committed," he said about the Pegasus system.
On Monday he held audition Zbigniew Ziobry before the Pegasus committee. The erstwhile Minister of Justice was only brought before the committee For the ninth time. Police stopped him at Chopin Airport in Warsaw, and after 11 a.m. he was brought to the Sejm.
"I'm disappointed." Prof. Matczak on the Committee on Pegasus
- I'm sorry. That the committee succeeded lead the personThe 1 he wants to interview, any success, shows that some mechanisms They're working. I'm talking about this on purpose. with no emphasis on enthusiasm It's a success, due to the fact that I'm mostly I'm disappointed. the activities of committees and specified institutions. I thought, after all, that for 10 years the Polish state and Polish society was attacked inactive information about "terrible crimes"to the regulation of law and the law that these crimes can be shown," said Prof. Marcin Matczak at Polsat News.
SEE: Ziobro mentioned Gierty, an immediate reaction. "Disgrats and insults"
- I'm sorry. Smart, I'd say communication manipulations, specified as today's making any kind of circus, me, the full show flight Zbigniew Ziobry to Poland and bringing to the committee. In fact, specified clever manipulations are sent to Poles the following message: this is presentation, it's truly funny, it's "beka"and so it is no serious settlement. Meanwhile, I think this settlement is needed due to the fact that present A man is being interrogatedwho, according to my best judgement as a lawyer, a individual who deals with institutions and the law, destroyed the Polish state. Destroyed Judiciary and StateAnd at the same time, he was active and present I realize he admitted that decided to acquisition softwarewhich is the top violation of human rights after 1989 in Poland - added the guest of the program "Most crucial questions".
In the case of Pegasus, Prof. Matczak pointed out the inconsistency in the translations of the erstwhile Minister of Justice.
- I'm sorry. We know that Ziobro decided about buying Pegasus even though we've heard for a long time that specified software There's noThen it turned out to be. Before we heard it was expected to be used to catch terrorists. Then it turned out it was used against the opposition, journalists and others. I think public bankruptcy is that Polish society does more, I apologize for the wording, "barrel"from what's happening than trying to realize what it means that in a democratic country, a democratically elected politician, starts eavesdropping on its citizens And he knows absolutely everything about them. This is done by people who, for example, vote for a Confederate who is simply a party As if it was freedom. and would like our rights not to be restricted by the state, and I have the feeling that they are now rooting for a man who in knowing Human rights is simply a murderer, or you can't call it - the lawyer noted.
"Good intentions are paved hell". Expert on Pegasus
The leaders noted that the usage of the already celebrated software, Polish courts gave their consent.
- Yeah, but the courts didn't have information, They had no knowledge. about how intrusive this software is. Today, I understand, even you Ziobro was retreating from knowing whether to say clearly that he knew precisely how this software worked. In a way, they were blind consent I'm talking about justice. We request to start analyzing this situation. from erstwhile movements. Poland never should not have used the device to prosecute its own citizens, given that it He's not haggling. only a peculiar person, but he besides spys on her full surroundings - said prof. UW.
SEE: Zbigniew Ziobro admitted to the committee of inquiry. "I was the initiator of buying Pegasus"
- I'm sorry. It is not apparent to me whether Polish society knows, what level of crime It's done. If we hear from Mr. Ziebra today, "I've been catching criminals, I was a sheriff., Mr. Giertych, Mr. Nowak I've been chasing", people may feel that this is simply a good man, He meant well.. They forget that good intentions are a paved hell. The law does not let a man to accomplish 2 tiny goods, even if they were, or Mr Nowak and Mr Gierty, as Ziobro understands, and at the same time did The Greatness of Evilbecause he took information about innocent peopleWe don't know what's happening to them and what this information will be utilized for. Are people with crucial functions in Poland present They won't. blackmailed by this information?
Committee on Investigations Pegasus examines the legality, regularity and intent of actions undertaken utilizing this software, among others, by government, peculiar services and police from November 2015 to November 2023 The Commission is besides to find who was liable for purchase Pegasus and akin tools for Polish authorities. According to NIK, Pegasus's information was purchased in autumn 2017 for CBA, from funds in the main part (25 million PLN) from the Justice Fund.
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