Reveal. Trzaskowski about the fight with Tuski. “They arranged behind their backs”

In the newest episode of the Interia podcast ‘Politic WF’ its authors looked into River interview with Rafał Trzaskowskiwho carried out Donata Subbotko. Politician in book “Rafal”, which is not yet in the bookstores, recalls the times of return Donald Tusk from Brussels. As he notes Marcin Fijolek, the current candidate for the president of the Republic of Poland speaks of the leader of his formation, that he can be harsh in relations, or even arrogant, but at the same time he shares the positives about him.

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We fought (with Tuski – ed.), erstwhile he returned from Brussels in 2021, and I was preparing to be the president of the Platform. I had another thought for her future, and Donald is always tough in situations like this. Now that he's broken, he's decided he's coming back to take the organization and win the election. He wanted to finish his project.

(For me it is – ed.) a hard situation, due to the fact that my colleagues, Marcin Kierwiński and Boris Budka, arranged behind my back with Donald (...). I'm inactive talking about him and Boris. I'm talking about him. But then I was convinced that they wanted me to be the president of the party. I was loyal to them, and it turns out they bet on Donald.

It's hard to talk about fraud in politics. If anything works, I start analyzing from myself, I'm not looking for guilt in others. We were having conversations. They seemed to support me. I needed time due to the fact that before taking over the leadership in the organization I wanted to make certain that the Platform could be expanded and strengthened. I do not want to justify or defend them, just my colleagues made a different decision – with my large surprise, I admit

– This is for me. very interesting reality, in which first, there is fractivity, divisions in the PO itself... – started Marcin Fijolek, and finished Piotr Witwicki: – Which we knew a small about, but not so virtually and directly. But they're a small hidden. – the editor-in-chief of Interia assessed.

Trzaskowski betrayed? He could have made his party, too.

In turn, the leader of “Graffiti” in Polsat News noted that “as something buzzed under the carpet it remained under the carpet” and no 1 pulled it out in public. As he added, the book shows how Key characters for the PO “knit” by Trzaskowski on the occasion of Tusk's return, prepared beyond cognition and intuition, the first of them. In this context, we have besides heard another statement. Warsaw Vladimir, asked about the “key conversation” with Tuski.

But what I gotta tell you was tough and clear. “I come back, I am, you gotta accept it, there is no point arguing.” I said I'd think about it and let him know if I'd officially run against him.

– Trzaskowski was encouraged and then, for those 2 days, and later, to He made his party, he moved with his movement on the counter to the PO, which at the time seemed to be a bit of a organization coming down from his highest quotations," explained Marcin Fijolek.

It is actual that I could have been president of the organization before Boris Budka, and everyone came to me with this, and I refused. So any people felt that I had no right to blame anyone.

Trzaskowski and Crosses in Warsaw. “Donald asked me”

According to Marcin Fijołek, "a very interesting passage for those who want to realize Polish politics". – And for those who sometimes gotta or want to believe that everything in the parties is perfect, that always Jarosław Kaczyński He's listening to the PiS, Donald Tusk is taken with open arms in the PO, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamish holds the people or The Wizard – Left, he added.

In an interview, Trzaskowski is besides asked about the issue crosses in Warsaw local institutionsMore specifically, whether he talked to Tuski about the decision not to suspend them.

Donald asked me whether I had made this decision full consciously and whether I was reasoning about how it would affect the future (...). The question is not a grudge. What's Donald Tusk got against me? I don't know, he didn't say, “Rafale, are you crazy?” but we don't talk to each another like that. You may resent your son, not Donald for me. I have an autonomous position, there was a question: “Dude, have you thought about what will happen?”

– This is simply a completely different logic of the old political wolf, if I may say so about Donald Tusk, with Rafał Trzaskowski, not much younger, but inactive o political generation younger – said the leader “Graffiti”.

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"Politic WF": We know fragments of the interview with Trzaskowski

According to Piotr Witwicki, president of Warsaw “in many places, little and more, shows that they are in the same organization (with Tuski – ed.) that He cares about the Platform.‘. – On the another hand, it shows very powerfully its subjectivity. This exchange is expected to prove it, due to the fact that you know what these conversations with Tusk look like and rather No 1 allows specified autonomy He stressed.

As he added, in his opinion Trzaskowski places – possibly not full intended – “very powerfully criticises the policy on platform X, in social media". – Tusk announces quite a few things right there and enters into exchange, which – it would seem – Trzaskowski would consider absolutely unnecessary and not beneficial to politics as such. Trzaskowski is making a bit of a fuss that Tusk is the leader.

Donald can be foreign, tough, even unpleasant to people who pissed him off at the minute or didn't do what they did.

The editor-in-chief of the Interia has no uncertainty that "This is something that we have never read from active politics.‘. From our perspective, however, this is something new, different and interesting. It's interesting to admit that individual screwed you in politics – he said.

Campus Poland with money from Soros and Bloomberg

The authors of the Interia podcast besides pointed out that Trzaskowski admitted that Soros and Bloomberg Foundations participate in the financing of Campus Polish Future.

Money from Soros and Bloomberg is, I think, about 30 percent of the total

– If PiS staff They're gonna read it, and they're gonna read it, and there's nothing to hide, and there's gonna be a message and quite a few questions about how it is that 30 percent of Campus money gives Soros and Bloomberg. besides due to the fact that very frequently these Campuses were in the mediate of an election campaign. Of course, there have been attempts to avoid bonding Campus with the run message PO, but let us not pretend that Campus did not have a function in the run – said Marcin Fijołek.

Trzaskowski good about PiS politicians. ‘Class in itself’

In the “Politic WF”, we besides hear that erstwhile the book Trzaskowski speaks about Andrzej Duda, it places it in the PiS faction, which “was erstwhile statemen but went astray there somewhere”.

– Here are 2 compliments straight and straight for politicians related to the PiS. The first card is for Paweł KiernakerToday's the chief of staff Karol Nawrocki. Trzaskowski mentions cooperation with him very well on the occasion exile crisis After it exploded War in Ukraine. He said he was professional, he got along well with him – Marcin Fijołek mentioned.

As he said, the another is simply a separate one. Wojciech Kolarski, Head of the global Policy Office at the Chancellery of the president of the Republic of Poland. – He is portrayed as a stateman, with whom 1 can talk, can be dealt with. I don't know if they were kisses of death," he added.

Piotr Witwicki then responded, giving another name, about which Trzaskowski expressed flattery.

Then (in Krakow – ed.) I met Margaret Wassermann, a class in itself. If she and her father were in charge of the PiS, possibly this organization would have a different face.

– I'm the 1 who imagines that if specified words come to PiS, what Rafał Trzaskowski says about Margaret Wassermann, she truly won't make her career there – he decided what Marcin Fijołek signed: – They have something to fear, We say this with a smile, of course..

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