Tusk “manoeuvred” Trzaskowski? The bold thesis of a presidential candidate

Marta Kurzyńska, Interia: – Why are you moving in this election?

Marek Jakubiak, candidate of the Free Republicans for president of the Republic of Poland: – My offer is very serious. I'm a man who doesn't search enemies. I can build, negotiate. I'd be a good president.

Looking at the results of the support, I don't think the Poles met you.

– I'm just sorry. any people make fun of themselves and have 2 percent. And I, a serious man, am 1 percent. Although I don't believe that 1 percent, and I hope I'll have more support.

Why don't you change your strategy?

– I'm not gonna pretend to be anybody. If Poles choose individual else, I will gotta draw conclusions. possibly I'm making mistakes, possibly I should be a joker, a clown. Then everything would be fine.

Are you going to get your constituents to vote for another candidate in the second round?

– I will surely encourage you to vote to the right. We'll see who comes in on the second round. Then I'll make a decision.

So you think Sławomir Mentzen can inactive get free of Charles Nawrocki?

– I don't think so, but you request to mentally give him a chance, so let him fight. Poles don't vote for people, they vote for tribes, so I think that Karol Nawrocki has a better chance, but Mentzena does not, absolutely.

Are you closer to Karol Nawrocki or Sławomir Mentzen?

– Charles Nawrocki, I think.

Why? His opponents say he's not qualified to service as president. There are besides ambiguities around him, late regarding housing.

– These are wind problems. If it's that he keeps the apartment, helping a man in this way, it's a strategy known all over the world. any say, “I take on the cost of surviving for the remainder of my life, and in return the flat goes on my property.”

But Charles Nawrocki missed the fact during the debate due to the fact that he said he had 1 apartment.

– This is an flat he uses, while the second flat is not in his control, for as long as that man lives, he does not usage this apartment. But he has a warrant that erstwhile he dies the flat will pass on to him.

Karol Nawrocki's staff propose that the service is the origin of the apartment. Isn't that a very far-reaching thesis?

– 1 of the right-wing tv even provided an address where the services met to plan attacks on Nawrocki. If that's true, then I'm very sorry, if we weren't in the box today, the chief of staff would have resigned. People think it doesn't concern them, but they should realize that anyone can be Nawrock.

Rulers do not believe in the transmission of right-wing media.

– The fact will come out sooner or later. The government will change. And soon, due to the fact that in a year.

How can you be so sure?

– I am convinced that the right side will win this election. This is simply a European trend, not only Polish. The conduct of the full European Union, the establishment of rich people, causes all the nations of Europe to turn distant from liberal communism and return to their roots, that is, to their national states. due to the fact that it's the only way we can deny anything the liberals have put on our heads.

You think the right-wing candidates are undervalued? due to the fact that the polls indicate otherwise.

– If polling shows me at 1 percent and any Macie from Włocławek besides at 1 percent, then we are dealing with madness. They're polling. It was evident after the American elections that Donald Trump was losing to the end, and actually winning massively.

How do you measure Rafał Trzaskowski's campaign?

I see Bronisław Komorowski's syndrome. I feel like they left him alone again. He got the occupation to win and nothing else. They know they'll lose. I can see it from their faces. I don't see any winnings. I even hear voices resigning.

– They thought Trzaskowski was a prominent politician who had a tendency to win. Well, he did not win anything once, due to the fact that he first got into parliament from the letter of the Civic Platform. If you have one, two, you enter, whether it's Trzaskowski or anyone else.

And 2 word in Warsaw?

– As for the president of Warsaw, Trzaskowski did not win these elections, he won anti-PiS. Trzaskowski is simply a man who expects everyone to applaud him, and here it turns out that any people are dissatisfied with him and he takes it very badly. So he's not mentally prepared to face society. To be a politician, a real politician, you gotta like people. Not yourself, just people. possibly there is simply a second bottom in the election of Rafał Trzaskowski for president.

– possibly Donald Tusk specifically manipulated Rafał Trzaskowski into this losing race to neutralize him politically. The second defeat will discredit him. Tusk will lose his competitor.

Isn't the stakes besides advanced for games like this?

– It's about ego, politics. And politics isn't always the art of understanding, it's the art of emotion and creation. Tusk is simply a capable politician erstwhile it comes to managing emotions. He's gone to specified extremes and so much hatred that there's no way back from this road.

How did you take those words that came from Mr. Grzegorz Braun during the presidential debate?

– There was nothing amazing there, he keeps saying the same thing. Those who want to win it politically, at any point they conquer the ball, conquer the emotions and say, “Olaboga, and Braun said so.” I wasn't surprised.

I didn't ask you, either, if you're surprised, but if you're offended by those words.

– No, I'm not amazed or outraged.

There were voices that Grzegorz Braun should be excluded from public life.

– Why do you think he said, "Eurocohol"? My view of the European Union is besides becoming clear. all day I observe German-French arrogance, I see clearly how Poland is treated. Donald Tusk's got a way with all corner. We're just at the turn of history. Either Poland will be the European Union, i.e. it will be the territory in which we talk Polish or not, or Poland will be Poland.

Based on Maciej Maciak's statements, should presidential candidates be more mirrored?

- We're being vetted. And you can be registered erstwhile you pass the mirror. I'm in favour of this mirror being full. I think Homeland safety should be looking at us. individual with direct contact with the services should not be moving for president. But I don't know a man, I don't know who he is.

And his answer is that he admires Putin didn't shock you?

– She was outraged due to the fact that she's a Russian citizen. The Russians in Putin may be seeing any hero, but he should stand aside and see that Putin is an aggressor and may attack Poland in a minute due to the fact that he wants to reconstruct the russian Union. But quite a few people should fight in this case.

– There is specified a phenomenon that all those who shout about the Russian agent were paraded around the pier in Sopot in arms with Putin. And they were arrogant of it. Tusk, making a deal on Redzikow, acted under powerful Russian influence. I remember the head of Russian diplomacy Sergei Lavrow did training for Polish ambassadors.

But I guess it's hard to compare this reset policy years ago to what's happening right now. There is simply a war in Ukraine. Putin is simply a war criminal.

– Then the war continued, too. Russia was already aggressive. I'll remind Georgia, Ossetia, Crimea. And yet the reset continued.

Marta Kurzyńska spoke