Anna Dryjanska: Is there a counter-candidate you wouldn't shake hands with?
Magdalena Biejat: Yes. Grzegorz Braun. He is an anti-Semite and undermines all the values I believe in: freedom of speech, respect for the dignity of another people, prostateism. Braun is primarily motivated by hatred for people who think differently from him.
President or president Biejat?
The president.
The 3 things you would do as head of state are...?
First of all, I wouldn't gotta wait until the last minute to sign the bill. The fact that president Duda waited until the last minute to inform us if he would sign the Free Christmas Eve Act was an absolutely incomprehensible curiosium.
Secondly, I would usage the power of legislative initiative to propose real changes, specified as in the context of housing or women's rights.
I would talk on key issues concerning the widely understood safety of Poles. I'd usage it if I could be president.
in the deliberations of the Sejm and the Senate, not only from the large bell.
And finally, thirdly, I wouldn't be the arm of my party. I'd stand by
People's side.
What does that mean?
I'd put a man in the center and be able to work with another environments. I have already proved many times during my work in the legislature that, for the sake of society, I can besides work with representatives of groups with whom I am much different. I late met with president Duda to talk about veto for a simplification in the wellness contribution. In the key issues for Poles and Poles, I can search an agreement over divisions.
In the name of our society, the president must besides be able to work with the government: whether they are of the same political option or not. He must make a common defence and abroad policy with him, and then they are implemented together.
PiS settlement: besides fast, besides slow, besides much, besides little?
I think it could go faster due to the fact that we have overproduction of reports in relation to circumstantial actions, but I besides see acceleration. I hope we yet get to see the concrete finale of the cases that are pending in court due to the fact that I don't want us to deal with
in politics, only accounting for the Law and Justice.
Why don't we just let it go?
I think the settlements are important, but not due to the fact that I don't like the Law and Justice, just due to the fact that I'm profoundly opposed to utilizing the state for my own political purposes,
And that's what the last squad did. I think she should be responsible. However, we should focus on the current issues
And challenges.
The word that would be your presidency's subject is...?
Community. I believe that today, as Poles, we are in constant quarrels. The election run itself proves that. Brutalisation is expanding on many levels. In fact, supporters of various right -wing parties are calling for hatred. Additionally, there is playing on expanding divisions and animosities.
Unfortunately, Rafał Trzaskowski turns this way, who wants to limit 800 plus for
Ukrainians. At 1 time, Charles Nawrocki smiled at the call for violence
physical towards the counter-candidate, and present there are calls for national segregation in queues for the doctor. I'm afraid this conflict and tension will proceed to resound.
Meanwhile, Poles present anticipate peace and security. They want a president who can emergence above divisions and conflicts. The individual who will bet
At the center of their case. individual who will work with another politicians from different backgrounds to deliver concrete solutions to service people, whether it is simply a substance of surviving security, specified as housing, wellness protection, women's rights, military safety or abroad policy.
This transportation is what you most miss after nearly a year and a half of the coalition regulation on October 15?
There's been a lot going on, but I think we can do more. Of course, I am peculiarly arrogant of what the Left did, and you can exchange it for a long time. We introduced additional parental leave for premature parents, widow's pension, increases in maintenance fund, Active Parent program, secured money for housing, increased ceremony allowance, created a comprehensive digitalization strategy for Poland, opened an artificial intelligence factory, changed the definition of rape...
So if it's that good, what else can we do?
A more courageous policy can be pursued in many subjects. I think one
for reasons why this is not happening, especially with respect to human rights, it is that we have a conservative president.
Is it Duda's responsibility that the majority of the government can't put a task on his desk giving women the right to abortion?
The current president is an excuse and a smokescreen for any politicians not to do certain things. Or to throw logs at your feet where things should be revealed, like abortion. How many times have we heard from representatives of the 3rd Way that "the president won't sign it anyway"...
So if you were the head of the state or any another individual with progressive views, would Władysław Kosiniak-Kamish rise his hand for not chasing close women for abortion and for abortion pills to be available on the NFZ?
I think then there'd be a much better chance of that happening. These negotiations can be conducted differently from the Presidential Palace. To get the problem solved. If I were president, there's no hazard I'd change my head due to the fact that I don't change my mind. I'm always on the side of women.
I don't think you appreciate that any politicians want to be even closer to bishops than their own electorate.
As a last resort, I could file a bill. More: I am ready to fold it
in 1 day from swearing in.
In what another cases would you have shown a legislative initiative?
I would submit a housing task that reduces bank margins on mortgages. present it is that you gotta pay the second amount you gotta pay for the apartment. This is crazy! The banks are getting rich at our expense in a disgusting way, and the state is doing nothing about it. How can young people be financially unchangeable erstwhile all this is so unpredictable?
Where is social construction in all this?
It's besides part of my program. But until we've built adequate housing for rents, until we've got the social rental agencies moving full steam, we've got to deal with credit prices.
In the west of Europe, banks don't stone like that. Why are they doing this at our place?
Because politicians let banks and developers to function as they please, without any restrictions. This has got to stop. Banks have a right to operate, but profit should have limits. And that border in countries that care about their citizens is their security.
What does president Biejat gotta offer Conservatives?
Care for household safety. aid for women who request a place in the nursery
For your child. Unwavering support for 800 plus – I will never allow
the liquidation of this benefit. I want to assure the Conservative that Poland does not have to
choose between tradition and modernity. There's no contradiction between
free Christmas Eve and investment in fresh technologies.
The president may combine the aspirations of Poland's development, being a full associate of the European Union, with respect for those values and traditions which for Poles are
It's important. due to the fact that they're crucial to me, too. I'm a parent of two. Care
About families and their safety is simply a fundamental substance for me. Same in
the case of women's rights and access to wellness protection.
Except the conservatives are against free abortion, unless they request it.
It's not just an abortion. It's about the full safety access package.
health. The point is, we can get to the doctor erstwhile we request help. Today, even in large cities, it's fast adequate to get into a gynecologist on the NFZ border
with a miracle, let alone in smaller towns.
No substance what we think about abortion, we all care about good wellness care erstwhile we're sick. And that, unfortunately, is inactive a problem. In Poland, the diagnosis of endometriosis takes 10 years. It's not expected to look like that. It is crucial for all female to be safe erstwhile she becomes pregnant, to respect her decision, to have good care around the world.
And finally, we deserve good medical care erstwhile we enter menopause. This is not adequate talk in Poland. Meanwhile, more and more often, I hear from the women I meet during the run that erstwhile menopause begins, doctors leave them to themselves. They are sent from a specialist to a specialist, suffering unnecessarily before they find a doctor who will aid them in their regular functioning.
So for all women, I have a full safety package.
in everyday life. It is not just about the individual issues on which media attention is focused. I have respect for another people's choices, besides if they're different from mine. That's what the Left is about.
And what do you gotta offer voters about pushing Ukrainians?
and Ukrainians in Poland? The candidates bid for anti-Ukrainian postulates, so clearly it pays off for them. Rafał Trzaskowski, for example, wants to take 800 plus non-working mothers from Ukraine. And you?
I offer voters common sense and not origin problems where they are not. Ukrainians are the most active national number in Poland. They work,
And if not, they're looking for a job. The Ukrainians filled the gaps in the market, with activities that Poles did not want. It is clearly visible in Warsaw, so president Rafał Trzaskowski should know this.
Ukrainians and Ukrainians aid build our economy and our prosperity, they contribute to our social safety system, so the thought to take 800 plus to those who cannot work is simply inhuman.
But that's what many voters want.
Imagine a female with 3 children. Her husband's on the front, and she's alive.
in Poland. He takes care of the kids. He lives partially with the aid of the family, and partially with the 800 plus. So, what, we just want to take her money distant so she can't pay her apartment? Do we want to see families like this at Central Station? I don't think that's the way.
Unfortunately, voters frequently give back what politicians feed them, so I appeal
To halt this race for populism. present Nawrocki offers segregation
In line for wellness care, what's next? peculiar places on buses for Ukrainians? I address my counter-candidates: gentlemen, after the election, you must besides be able to look at yourself in the mirror.
Some Poles believe that erstwhile Ukrainians receive benefits, we are faced with unfair donations. What do you gotta say to them?
After all, the money that the Ukrainian parent will get under 800 plus will not go abroad, but will return to our economy: as means for food, services, VAT.
We have already taken care to associate 800 plus with the implementation of the school work in Poland. It's a good thing I voted for. Thanks to him, no 1 who physically resides in Poland can receive this benefit.
If individual takes their children to Berlin or back to Lviv, they'll just halt getting the money. There's no area for abuse. But those who live in Poland with children who learn in our schools should simply receive this benefit. That's it.
Are you upset about the questions?
I have a strong appeal to another candidates, especially those on the democratic side, to
They didn't play Resentment, they didn't turn on emotion, due to the fact that it would hurt everyone. The election run will be over soon, and we will all stay together: Poles and Ukrainians.
It annoys me to treat Poles as specified who request to be given xenophobic slogans. It's offensive to our constituents. There are quite a few people who are arrogant to have helped the Ukrainians and lived side by side.
88% of voters want the payment of 800 plus to be dependent on labour and taxes in Poland. This is how the IBRiS poll for "Rzeczpospolita".
I know what the polls show. We all read them. Only public policy should not
arise on the basis of the momentary emotions of citizens. Public policy should respond to real problems and aim to guarantee that society acts harmoniously, that everyone feels safe.
Let's focus on ensuring that everyone has good access to services. Let's focus on improving the wellness system. It's inactive missing not only money, but
and a clear imagination of reform. It's only half the amount of money that's being added. The Left has an thought of how to supply backing for wellness care.
Let us besides focus on good support for education to reconstruct the prestige of public schools. Let's get any large teachers. Let us guarantee that school content responds to the challenges of the 21st century.
Speaking of the challenges of the 21st century: putting wellness education on the altar of the far right is not the solution. Let's not go that way. This leads to disastrous consequences that will stay with us for years. Let us deal with matters that are crucial for Poles that contact them here and now.
On the Internet, virtually all public service access material has comments that Ukrainians get something without a queue, that they are privileged. How do you answer that?
There are always conflicts around goods that are not enough. The line to the doctor was a nightmare before the war. Housing was besides in crisis before 2022. It is actual that erstwhile refugees came to us, the situation on the housing marketplace deteriorated even more. Of course. Is the answer just to banish the victims of war on the pavement or to strengthen housing policy? I say the another one. This should be the policy of all liable government. This will solve the conflict.
Similarly with access to wellness care or strengthening wages and benefits. present people feel threatened even without credit, due to the fact that the cost of surviving increases all the time. It is so very crucial to increase the wage of employees and budget staff regularly. surely we should not halt at 1 time.
We besides request to take care of pensioners. The Ministry of Family, Labour and Social Policy is working on a bill that incorporates time on garbage. present these years, or even decades, do not number for an internship, as a consequence sometimes people do not even catch a minimum pension. We submitted this task in the erstwhile term, but the Government of the United Right was not interested.
Do you want the 3rd Way to get to the Sejm in the next election?
First of all, I would like more voters to vote for the Left, and that is our primary task. And who else will be in the Sejm is the voter's decision.
I surely know that many people feel disappointed that in 2023 they tactically voted for the 3rd Way. In order to remove the Law and Justice from power, they introduced people into the Sejm who block crucial demands for them, specified as legalization of abortion.
Is it, and if so, how should the European Union change its mind, given the policies of US president Donald Trump?
The European Union is now firmly facing the challenge of changing its way of working. The United States is no longer a unchangeable and predictable ally. That shouldn't be a surprise. Donald Trump had already challenged the NATO agreement before becoming president: he threatened Denmark by taking Greenland. He besides announced the suspension of humanitarian or military aid to Ukraine.
Of course, it wasn't pink before. 1 of the last decisions of outgoing American president Joe Biden was to limit the supply of chips essential for the improvement of artificial intelligence to Poland. So we were already in that second group of countries. Now the strategy of forces changes even more.
We should focus more on the defence and independency of the European Union, both
in the area of military safety as well as in the area of economical security. We request a European Union that can defend itself with a common European army. 1 that will seriously invest in the arms manufacture in its territory.
It is very crucial that the improvement of the arms manufacture is coordinated between countries, so that it is not as now that each country invests in isolation from others. We request to start acting as a better integrated economy, as a marketplace that can be competitive and that invests in home production.
Like what?
In Poland, we could start producing drugs on a larger scale. We inactive have a problem with the availability of medicines, and there's always information about the shortcomings. We constantly hear about patients or their loved ones who ride
All over Poland to buy the medicine they need, for example ADHD.
We could produce any replacements in Poland or Europe. We'd cut it short.
In this way supply chains and guarantee the safety of the citizens, i.e.
more stableness in an uncertain world. At this stage, it is no longer a substance of choice but of necessity.
Should the European Union make its own artificial intelligence?
Yes, the Union should focus on its own technological solutions, including its own AI. The states have respective popular AIs, China conquers the planet with DeepSeek, so we cannot stay passive. That's why I'm proposing to make the Future Fund.
worth PLN 100 billion, whose aim would be to invest in Polish technologies of the future.
Work on artificial intelligence is already underway in the Ministry of Digital Affairs. She was besides formed
AI mill close Krakow and Poznań. The plans are ambitious, and now we must guarantee that they are implemented.
We cannot afford to lag behind, we must take care of Polish competitiveness. For besides long, we have been a country that competed primarily with inexpensive labour. It's about time we started investing in investigation and development.
We must besides make a solid investment in our own European social media.
At a time erstwhile Elon Musk uses his platform and her algorithms to advance the policy of the far right, as he stands next to AfD in Germany, as Mark Zuckerberg bows in bows to Donald Trump, you can see that social media have little and little to do with freedom of speech and more and more with a political tool.
This is about the future of democracy. Nowadays, public debate takes place mainly on social media, so we should guarantee that they are truly free, not shaped in the service of the organization by billionaires from across the ocean.
How can we counteract the emergence in the influence of the far right and the oligarchisation of policies?
These are very serious challenges facing the full democratic planet today. 1 thing is for sure: erstwhile we start racing with the far right to the far right, we lose. This is the experience of Western countries, from which my competitors unfortunately did not draw any conclusions. This is not a solution, but a deeper problem.
We request liable politicians who do not change their head all minute under the influence of the polls, who only consistently conduct social and public policies, who are guarding the welfare state, human rights and workers' rights. And that's how I run my campaign. I'm not going to change my head all period just due to the fact that it came out in the posts. I'm not gonna pretend to be anything else than I am. The people who vote for me know what to anticipate from me, due to the fact that from the minute they met me as a messenger, I represent the same values.
I late went to the Justyna Wydrzyna trial of the Abortive Dream squad to support her and all the people who aid women. And that won't change, although it's most likely not the easiest way. But it's the only way to defend our democracy and put a dam on the far right. We must stand courageously and say very clearly that there are values we will not give back. There are foundations for a democratic regulation of law that we will not let to break. We can't bend to a brown wave, or we'll all lose.
If you could imagine ecology as a railing, the Trumpian United States would let it go from the beginning, and China would never hold onto it. Do environmental solutions at European Union level inactive make sense? I am peculiarly referring to the aspect of competitiveness.
It's a immense challenge. However, I note that Europe is the fastest heating continent on the globe. If we, too, quit on achieving climate targets, we will not get better, we will get worse. due to the fact that our economy will increasingly be hit by prolonged droughts and violent weather phenomena that destruct crops.
So how is it that farmers are the ones who are most opposed to Green Deal?
Farmers do not protest the Green Deal due to the fact that they want more drought, storms or subsoil, but due to the fact that they fear deficiency of competitiveness. They fear that what they produce will be besides expensive, if at all they can afford to produce. And I realize those fears.
That is why it is so crucial to look for solutions in a good dialog with representatives of different groups. Therefore, circumstantial regulations are needed, which will not be a stick, but a carrot. Which will make people want to choose those solutions that are besides good for the climate. The cost of proclimate solutions cannot be passed on to average people. Europe has a lot to do in this area.
So who's to pay to halt the climate crisis?
First of all, the biggest polluters who contribute the most to this crisis, specified as fuel companies.
I am trying to imagine it in Poland. This is the minute erstwhile large corporations say goodbye.
This is another good reason to strengthen the European market. We must coordinate our actions as states, or we can be played together. This besides applies to Donald Trump's duties.
When we function as a more integrated economy, erstwhile we conduct a common abroad policy as far as possible, we will be more competitive as a whole. Europe as a full is simply a marketplace to be reckoned with. It is besides a force to be reckoned with.
Nuclear power plants in Poland: yes or no?
Definitely. We request alternatives to coal and a unchangeable origin of funding. I'm glad the work on the atom accelerated. We've been waiting a long time for them to move,
And we truly request it.
We besides request energy independence, due to the fact that coal in Poland is little and little and worse. Even if we consider that we don't care about the cost of coal mining, there is another problem: it just stopped paying us.
Nor can we be dependent on Vladimir Putin and his colleagues. We request a unchangeable energy origin in Poland, which will not come only
The wind and the sun, so the atom is our only option.
Is the country whose president died in a compromising plane crash
Are you able to keep the safety procedures essential for the atomic power plant?
Yes, we can. Poland can handle the atom.
I know that he repents so much that in Poland everything is glued to duct tape. And that sometimes we think of ourselves as masters of common movement, but no longer consistent actions.
I believe and know that Poland is in a truly different place. We're a modern country that can handle quite a few things and could handle it.
It's even better if they don't have organization disputes.
